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This discussion is on point, and with much reasoned analysis in the comments.  But we haven't mentioned the word propaganda yet.

Anyone looking clearly at amurkan journalism from outside can attest to the sophistication of the propaganda, 24/7, from every direction.  It's much harder to connect the dots to see how the mighty wurlitzer is programmed, but that doesn't mean it isn't.  Because the effect is so omnipresent, one doesn't see it when one is forced to swim in it.

I couldn't take it anymore, a factor in my move the Deutschland.  I have friends, quite intelligent and worldly, who missed even some of the big lies during the run up to war, much less the more intrusive continual small lies.  This machine is powerful, "well-oiled," to make a connection, and has studied the past to evolve the methods and messages of today.

We are truly looking at a last chance for free information exchange on the net, nearly as predicted more than two decades ago.  The king is dead, long live ET.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 03:35:05 PM EST
Geez I thought it was so obvious it needed no special mention.  (Though I did imply it in my remark about studying media and nationalism.)

You are a little condescending in your remark that anyone outside the US can see it.  Well, a lot of Americans can see it.

But I'd assert that the idea of propaganda being inherently negative is a rather American notion.  It originally meant "that which should be spread." The Russians thought propaganda a good thing, like evangelism.  And we now accept that ALL communication is subjective by its very nature. In fact, the concept of propaganda as inherently evil and avoidable is a real bit of American propganda in action!  It's bad when the bad guys do it.  because they are lying.  When the good guys do it, it's not propaganda.  It's a public service. :)  hahaha

Anyway, I guess you meant "subliminal propaganda supporting the war and the Administration and unchecked capitalism."  

Yes.  This is why I believe media criticism should be taught the moment a child starts school.  Even then you are already unteaching them 5 years of ingrained behavior.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 03:58:03 PM EST
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Good point that propaganda had other meanings, and communication is subjective.  I never wanted to assert that no one in amurka can see it, i'm well aware of that.  But it's not condescending when so many people in amurka still believe in the NYT or the WaPo, much less the Wall St editorial pages.

The point is that sophisticated, evil propaganda works continually, even to the point of sapping the strength of those who wish to fight it.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 04:28:02 PM EST
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