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I've never understood quite what the "west" is all about.

hint:  check the skin colour :-)  imho "the west" is code for "whitefolks countries," and I guess Israel gets to be a member since Anglo elites, sometime in the mid 60's, grudgingly allowed as how Jews can be white people too (as long as they're not too Sephardic which confuses everybody).  it's basically like an exclusive gated community, only larger scale...

heard recently that there's talk of inviting Israel into NATO which as I commented elsewhere should have a destabilising effect on the acronym, at least.  NASMRSTO?  hard to pronounce :-)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 01:20:31 PM EST
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Aznar and the FAES (PP thinktank in Spain) proposed admitting Israel, Japan, and Australia into NATO about 2 years back.  I assume that he was at least in part carrying water for the Heritage Foundation.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 02:34:12 PM EST
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wow, I guess that means that the Japanese might get to be White Folks too -- but what about the indigenous Ainu, whom many Japanese consider to be "inferior" but who look, iirc, more Caucasian than the dominant Japanese ethnicity?  not to mention the Okinawans (surely it's not coincidental that the US occupied zone of Japan is Okinawa, whose people are iirc also considered "inferior" by wingnut Japanese).  maybe Migeru can clarify the subtleties of race prejudice in Japan?  I've always found it rather confusing, except that it seems to parallel Western racism in glorifying paleness of skin, relative hairlessness, and tallness...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 03:00:35 PM EST
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Placing aside the group promoting this, I think that there's a real discussion to be had about the need for common safety regulations and environmental and labor safeguards.  I think that this can be achieved mulilaterally, but I think that in the absence of an established framework that's accepted as legitimate, there's the danger that the end of American hegemony will result in horrors that make Iraq pale in comparision. There has to be order, or it's a war of all upon all.  Not because that's what people want, but because the small portion of the population that are total egoists force everyone to be guarded or suffer.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 04:43:56 PM EST
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Placing aside the group promoting this, I think that there's a real discussion to be had about the need for common safety regulations and environmental and labor safeguards.

absolutely.  the guaranteed minimum, the standard of decency -- but it isn't decent if it isn't generalised.  "common environmental regs" within the EU or N Am don't do diddly if "the rest of the world" is made a sacrifice zone for industrial vandalism...  and this point is not "merely" moral, but pragmatic:  it's a small planet, and the destruction being wrought in "lesser nations" will, and does, impact health and happiness worldwide.  the world is one, the climate is one, the oceans are one.  the wind doesn't stop blowing at an arbitrary human property line.

the gated-community model is guaranteed to exacerbate, outside its boundary, whatever miseries or abuses its inhabitants seek to escape.  or so I believe, having watched the model in action.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 05:38:36 PM EST
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Ok, I digged it up.

NATO: An Alliance for Freedom.

This was published in 2006 by Spain's Fundacion por el Analisis y los Estudios Sociales (FAES, English Foundation for the Analysis and Study of Social Studies), I suspect that the Heritage Foundation played some real here.

I like this here.  First, Letonia is the Spanish for Lithuania.  And apparently someone doesn't know the difference between India and Sri Lanka.  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 05:45:54 PM EST
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Colombia?!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 05:52:26 PM EST
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Yes........

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 at 10:20:34 PM EST
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There is apparent mistake here - India does not belong to NATO and will not belong to any military alliance in next 10-20 years at least. This is simply impossible given current era of politics in India and views from left and right of communists and of BJP. And ruling Congress has few advocates of close relationship with the West.
Why? Because pro-Western pro-big business policy does not bring in votes, that's the reason. If such policy would pull out votes Indians would see parliament full of journalists from English-language media (most of them are very pro-Western) but so far that was not the case.
by FarEasterner on Sat Sep 29th, 2007 at 04:28:44 AM EST
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If I'm not terribly mistaken Letonia should be Spanish for Latvia, not Lithuania... Note also that the author of the map handed Sakhalin island to the Japanese which I'm sure no Russian noticed or there would be some sort of diplomatic incident :-)

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sat Sep 29th, 2007 at 08:35:07 PM EST
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the author of the map handed Sakhalin island to the Japanese  

Just color the map to put Sakhalin in NATO, and surely those Russian airbases will happily take their orders from NORAD!

;)  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Mon Oct 1st, 2007 at 10:58:14 PM EST
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Correct: the names of the Baltic Republics in Spanish are Estonia, Letonia, Lituania.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2007 at 02:50:56 AM EST
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that the projection they use for the map is one that used to be popular, but that almost nobody uses anymore, with the Equator one third of the way, making the northern countries appear a lot bigger than they are.

Africa = 30m sq. km
Greenland = 2.2m sq.km

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 30th, 2007 at 03:46:25 AM EST
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Hadn't thought of that, but when you denaturalize these things from the cultural context in which we have become accustomed you see that there small things can imply great power.  The audacity of the Mercator projection in this sense is breathtaking.  They literally cut the Global South down to size.

Note also the inclusion of Sakhalin island in the area corresponding to Japan.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Sep 30th, 2007 at 12:06:10 PM EST
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hint:  check the skin colour :-)  imho "the west" is code for "whitefolks countries"
That silly racist british myth is so old and out-dated that I am not sure  if even the Americans well-known for uncritical swallowing any british crap would buy it because not only the favourite woman of Dubya - Condy would be thown out of this elitarian club called The West but quite a big part of American folk would find themselves excluded from it too (suits them mengrels well!).

Sorting people out works better in the UK, as many know. While some of my Russian friends living in the UK were filling in the application for a medical job (the part funnily called the Equal Opportunities or summat like that), they have realised with a shock that there's a lot of 'whites' exist in the world - e.g. Welsh, English, Other white. On the other hand, French, Spanish, Greek, Italian are definitely not white at all - they are Mediterranean whatever that'd mean (suspisiously brown but have great food and don't preach Islam?). Again, if judging by skin colour, one just would have to  to push at least 80 per cent of nasty russkies into that exclusive gated community and kick off both slavonic but rather Greek... er... Mediterranean=Not white-looking Bulgarians and all ex-Ugoslavians and non-slavonic  Turkish looking Hungarians. And who on earth will a decent Brit find in this gated community - nasty but whiter than snow russkies, no doubt all alcoholics and thugs who don't give a shit either they're in the West or not? Nightmire eh?

by lana on Sat Sep 29th, 2007 at 05:15:51 PM EST
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