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Depends on what you call "enjoy".

Dynamic minimal gives you a list of headers. You have no idea of where the photos are. So you have to click painstakingly comment by comment to see what will be revealed. The Wednesday Photo Blog N° 1 currently runs to well over 100 comments.

Great will be the enjoyment for those on lower bandwidth than others.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 05:50:39 AM EST
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It beats waiting for the entire 100 comments to be downloaded.

People can help by using descriptive comment titles.

If I may quote you from Wednesday's thread, As far as I'm concerned (and I'm not, in this photo blog, though I like to post pics elsewhere) ... frankly you can all do what you fucking well like.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 06:20:35 AM EST
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It's frustrating for people with lower bandwidth/dial up to not be able to access the threads and that has been overlooked a little in some of the discussion on the photoblog.

Your suggestion is one possible way but there are others too. I'd far rather find a decent compromise that works for as many people as possible.

People could use descriptive comment titles but I know I usually forget to do this and I think many do.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 06:30:11 AM EST
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I use dial-up and haven't had a problem accessing threads. A picture or diary with 200 comments might take 30 seconds to load, but that's really not bad.
by lychee on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 06:51:44 AM EST
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We are not going to give advance instructions here to any user or lurker that they must set Dynamic Minimal in order to access this or that diary.

As for my use of a rude word, it was sparked by the flippant attitude of those who appear to believe in open access, grassroots, bottom-up blogging... with lower quality for the technically (and possibly financially) less well-endowed.

I sometimes get annoyed like that. Must be my anarchist soul.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 06:39:20 AM EST
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That wasn't the point at all.

We don't have the information on accessibility and speed - apart from one or two people that we know have dial-ups. We were trying to find that out, and the concern about speed was mentioned several times.

This is about exploring possibilities, not making rules. If the alternatives cannot be discussed, then that is censorship and hardly anarchist ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 11:32:08 AM EST
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If the alternatives cannot be discussed, then that is censorship

Is anyone preventing discussion? Is anyone preventing anything at all, in fact?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 11:43:52 AM EST
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We are not going to give advance instructions here to any user or lurker that they must set Dynamic Minimal in order to access this or that diary.

This sounded preemptory...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 11:48:15 AM EST
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Well in fairness, you can't really give those instructions to someone who happens to come across ET when they are browsing, or lurks without reading the FAQs in great detail.  

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 11:52:39 AM EST
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Why, do you think it is a good idea, or even feasible, to do this?

It should be obvious that we should not produce a dichotomy between technically-enabled users and others in their access to different parts of ET.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 11:57:49 AM EST
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I don't necessarily think it IS a good idea - but brainstorming is a good route to better solutions, and that means discussing all the options.

Neither do I appreciate your dismissal of a 'photography club' somehow operating within ET. There aren't Energy Clubs, Politics Clubs or Astrology Clubs. Visuals are part of today's discourse and there are a few people here (and I believe you are one of them) who think that visuals, (eg charts) can do things that text can't. Photographs, whether personal or from elsewhere, can also make text come alive. Some people are interested in improving their skills in this direction for the benefit of ET as well as their own communications expertise.

And last but not least, photos have a social role to play in this community.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 12:40:18 PM EST
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You haven't answered my question above about whether anyone is preventing discussion. We discussed the collapsed-thread option. If you have more to say about it, go ahead.

I didn't "dismiss" a photography club "somehow operating" in ET. I said we shouldn't create a separate club, particularly with different access conditions. I was simply warning against something I don't think would be a good development.

Obviously I agree on visuals, always have, and I think you know that.

Why are you attempting to paint me as a censor or a prohibitor? As someone who is intent on doing down photographers, who can't see that it's for the benefit of ET or can play a social role? When did I say anything to the contrary? As they say on the blogs, talk about a strawman...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 12:54:20 PM EST
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Because you said 'we're not having any of that'. One assumes this to be an official view. There's a useful technical gizmo in Finnish forums that identifies 'sheriffs' (as they are called) when in their official capacity. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 01:10:23 PM EST
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Can you drop this now please? Afew has made some really useful contributions to this discussion, far from stifling it.  

A gnome giving an opinion in a thread doesn't equate to a new rule being laid down.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 01:20:52 PM EST
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"Si vous n'arretez pas de disputez, je serait forcer de m'intervenir."



Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 01:31:59 PM EST
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"Je serai forcé"

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 05:32:51 PM EST
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Thanks. Any chance of a French spell checker?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 06:59:42 PM EST
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Perhaps, LEP, you should change your sig to:

De toute façon, qui veut m'épeler "cimetiére"?

:-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 06:21:48 AM EST
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If the alternatives cannot be discussed, then that is censorship and hardly anarchist ;-)

You seem hell-bent on claiming that you are censored. Why is that? The site won't get better if you keep on doing this. You're just depressing me. And that's not a good thing. Not for me, and not for you.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 05:37:02 PM EST
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Don't be depressed Jerome; it's just part of his attempt to project the image of the oldest anarchist rebel in town. It's just mildly amusing. :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2007 at 06:27:10 AM EST
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I have actually used Dynamic Threaded (which doesn't collapse the top-level comments) and Dynamic Minimal as my default comment display mode even for text-only threads because we often have threads with 100 comments or more, some of them quite long, and I got tired of scrolling back and forth.

In fact, you can set different display modes for different number of comments in a thread. At some point I was using Nested, Dynamic Threaded and Dynamic Minimal for increasing ranges of numbers of comments.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 at 02:02:05 PM EST
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