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I cannot understand all the effort used to make someone look bad, when he could be left alone!  It doesn't make us any 'better' and really seems obsessive once the repeated videos were dealt with, but obviously I missed them.  

I don't think dk is a model to follow either and I'm not getting the meaning of the last phrase, right now.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Jan 12th, 2008 at 06:25:54 PM EST
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Effort to make someone look bad? I think you have it completely backwards here. My effort is to show you what you haven't noticed, which is an immense effort by someone to sow discord and make himself look bad across several blogs, and I note that only one of my links went to dKos. You can Google yourself, and read comment threads on other blogs. Based on the record, we have been more than accomodating so far.

To re-phrase the last sentence, ordinary users might not have noticed all the insults or spamming that has been hidden, toggled or deleted (in the current case: it wasn't just the videos, also image spamming, and lots of personal insults), and not catch references to content in invisible trollish comments.

You assume the best in all people, but that's just what trolls like to exploit. Why there are people who enjoy such behaviour, I don't know, but they definitely exist. I don't know when you arrived on the web: was it the blogs? Or already web forums? Web boards? USENET?

I began on USENET, where trolls had much freeer rein than on later discussion formats. And I could tell you of utter asshole-ness that I could never imagine people capable of, not pre-internet. People who notice a new user, play all nice to him/her for a while, then either turn on him/her or use them to turn on others, and repeat this with new users several times. People who make the nastiest comments to users who tell of some personal grief, say the death of a wife or being diagnosed with terminal cancer. People who use up to 30 sock puppets, jumping in and out of several invented personalities (including pedophile and neo-Nazi), and even have these sockpuppets discuss, support or flame each other. People who invest a lot of time to first appear and be accepted as a normal member, then start to incite big fights, and it turns out they lied about their identity and have done the same routine on other forums with other assumed identities before. Your alarm bells aren't ringing because you haven't witnessed such.

While I rarely understood what motivates these people (there's not much common even in the real-life persona of the few I saw tracked down: there was trailer-park white trash kid, middle-aged hermit living on a farm in the mountains, a businessman, a housewife among them), what is clear is that it's not discussion they are interested in, but attention, say when they hijack a thread (as happened yesterday). You should (as I have to) also think of the victims of trolls, for example the one whose thread was hijacked yesterday. Allowing the abuse of and driving away of people who don't regularly go bonkers doesn't make us look good in any way.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 13th, 2008 at 06:47:19 AM EST
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I add one more example, the longest-running and most trust-exploiting I saw. On one forum, there were two female posters with an unfortunate life, one sane and well-respected, the other with the following troll routine: 1) appear and make some provocative comments (including insults to the first woman), 2) earn some insults (including from those protective of the first woman), 3) start playing abused for weeks, 3) disappear for a while. After years, someone got suspicious, analysed patterns of appearance, language, and finally addresses: the two women were sockpuppets of the same person.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Jan 13th, 2008 at 07:01:08 AM EST
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nanne might remember this one.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Jan 13th, 2008 at 07:13:03 AM EST
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I know it appears I make too much effort again, but to illustrate an anarchistic attitude that seems to have spilled over from real life, I forgot to add this link (see third comment).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Jan 13th, 2008 at 07:33:25 AM EST
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