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Finally googled a Slovenian phonetics page, and lj is a separate consonant.

And Я isn't a diphtong ; in isolation it represent yod+a ; after a consonant it represents a soft consonant (except after ь or     ъ). From my russian phonetics courses the 'hard vowels' actually indicate a phonetically different consonant, and it is a bit wrong to think that the vowel modifies the consonant ; consonants are inherently 'soft', or 'hard', and modify the way the vowel is pronounced and written.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 09:03:25 AM EST
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Okay.

The cyrillic transcription is correct, though.

Certain consonants such as l are ambiguous in that they take both hard and soft vowels and their pronunciation changes accordingly.

The phoneme to grapheme mapping is far from perfect in this case.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 09:10:41 AM EST
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Ya (Cyrillic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ya (Я, я) is a letter in the Cyrillic alphabet, representing either the combination ja (a so-called iotated vowel) or a after a palatalized consonant.
The conceptual problem here is the ambiguity in the role of the j. It can either palatalize the preceding consonant or jotate the following vowel. And in the case of Ljubljana it palatalizes the preceding consinant but when transcribed to cyrillic it merges with the a.

This must be a huge headache for Western students of Slavic languages who don't know anything about phonology.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 09:14:37 AM EST
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When studying Russian in high school we weren't told about it clearly, so that indeed, it was a headache. Only when I took a year of Russia at the INALCO (Paris Language school) did I learn about proper phonetics, and suddenly the number of declensions and exceptions was drastically reduced - while still having way too many.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 10:09:26 AM EST
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