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I still think it is not farfair to represent us as complete divine fuck up morons than can not shut up even when their lifes are at danger ... I woudl have probably shut up:)

It's not meant to be fair - it's a joke. I think many Christians wouldn't find the first joke funny - though the more eucumenical of them might give it a sardonic laugh.

Also - given what you've said about Dawkins - it's a bit of a joke for you to be talking about fairness ! :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 04:34:10 PM EST
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I know I know.. I was meant to make a joke about we scintists not udnerstanding a joke :) I am too cumbersome...

Ohhhh and I am absolute fair to dawkins...J aj aja well not really I guess: There is a deep truth in what you say. People who have taught termodynamics  (probably the only ones that really understand it a little bit) feel some kind of superiority towards the other human beings.. I know I know it is disgusting.. but it is true.. and I have seen that in a lot of other physics faces... from there one the moment we see that a so-called famous scientists (specially if we  generally disagree on not-scientific issues) does not really know the second law of thermodyanmics..we can become.. well let's say that we suddenly lose complete respect in him.

I still remember vividly the day I read an article of Dawkins where he worte the second law of thermodynamcis wrong, he explained it even worse (of course it was wrong), relaized that he had never really thought about it in any meanignful way and lost the basic point by making fun of creatonism and the second law when he precisely had not the foggiest idea about the argument at hand....

So, in a way.. I was not fair.. but in antoher way I am completely fair.. I treat all scientists which do not know the basic stuff about the second law with the same disregard..... allowing me to be extremely critic about his knwoledge on biology (and absolutely self-condfident about my points outside science and about religion)

But I promise I treat all the people equal.. I still recall the day a doctor took my temperature and asked me "so what is your job?" .. "oh I am a physciist .. I am teaching termodynamics".. and he answered " oh I remember the class, luckily we doctors do not need it.. if we had to remember everything we would be lost"... I was very polite.. but of course I never came back... to almost any doctor in my life unless I know beforehand what he/she is going to give me or he/she really knows why thermodyanmics is so important for doctors :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 05:02:49 PM EST
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Ohhhh and I am absolute fair to dawkins...J aj aja well not really I guess: There is a deep truth in what you say.

There's nothing "deep" about it - it is very obvious and should have been obvious to you and caused you to avoid writing something so silly about Dawkins in the first place (and see below).

People who have taught termodynamics  (probably the only ones that really understand it a little bit) feel some kind of superiority towards the other human beings..

An extremely silly attitude - perhaps it's another of your little jokes - but no ...

I know I know it is disgusting.. but it is true..

I still remember vividly the day I read an article of Dawkins where he worte the second law of thermodynamcis wrong, he explained it even worse (of course it was wrong), relaized that he had never really thought about it in any meanignful way and lost the basic point by making fun of creatonism and the second law when he precisely had not the foggiest idea about the argument at hand....

Utter rubbish. If I were you and I were to think of making such an unlikely accusation, I'd take the little bit of trouble to check first. Just google Dawkins and second law of thermodynamics and one gets as first hit the refutation of your absurd accusation. Do you have a problem reading English ? He says the exact opposite, not that it's "wrong" - but that it's one of the most fundamental things in science:

Nothing violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The great astrophyisicist Sir Arthur Eddington put it with memorable irony. "If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations - then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation - well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation." It is not for nothing that C P Snow used familiarity with the Second Law as his litmus test of scientific literacy.

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Once again, it is not my purpose here to argue for the validity of the Second Law. It is undisputed. Nor is it my purpose to defend evolution against the charge of violating it. My purpose is again to convey the sheer magnitude of the error that Burgess and McIntosh are attributing to their hugely more numerous 'establishment' colleagues, who accept evolution and supply cogent arguments against the suggestion that it violates the Second Law.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,453,The-Only-One-in-Step,Richard-Dawkins

Now run along and sign up for a refresher course in English, and stop wasting our time with this stupidity - and if you feel the urge to insult Dawkins or anyone else, try checking first - you don't want to keep on embarrassing yourself in public like this.

 

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 07:03:42 PM EST
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