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I am curious that the rigging seems to be increasingly blatant; it's as if Diebold realised that the game was up and this is one of their last chances to really get the GOPs desired result.

Now whilst I can understand them giving a result to Hilary to see if it helps the candidate they can beat/destroy, I simply see no reason for them to rig the result against Ron Paul when he ain't gonna win anyway. Win ? He isn't going to have any delegates at this rate. So why bother ?

Or perhaps, it's not that these machines are fixed, they're just crap to start with. It takes a special kind of genius to make a counting machine that can't count.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:38:14 PM EST
Or perhaps, it's not that these machines are fixed, they're just crap to start with. It takes a special kind of genius to make a counting machine that can't count.

If it's a choice between conspiracy and cock-up, cock up tends to win hands down....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:51:52 PM EST
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I'm just about convinced it's both.  It's cock-up in the Michigan thing, in all likelihood, although there was reportedly funny business going on with Republican votes (including Paul ones) in New Hampshire.  Siphoning perhaps.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:55:32 PM EST
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Rigging it to Hillary makes perfect sense to me, even if the Clintons and their allies are not involved.  She's the weakest and most polarizing of the top three Dems.  I know Kossacks like to say that Reps will smear anyone, and that's true, but the smears will be more effective on the candidate with 50% disapprovals -- and she has the audacity to say that she wins on electability -- than it will on the two candidates with 15% disapprovals.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 06:58:00 PM EST
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Obama does not really look that much liberal, Clinton would not really be that compassionate... and the top Dem candidates could feasibly made unelectable easily. How this could happen? Isn't there possibly no better men (and women) in the whole America? You almost wish Al Gore would really consider jumping in, or hell, why not Jimmy Carter ;-]

GOP could also be in despair of its candidate crop... Seriously, could this widely repulsive field of idols brought together by chance? Isn't it so convenient to any someone to have political wannabes and voters so comfortably on the fingers? And above that, paying insane money for awful 30 s adds? Rupert Murdoch is one genius, evidently.

by das monde on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:26:31 PM EST
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it's as if Diebold realised that the game was up and this is one of their last chances to really get the GOPs desired result.

If they can do it, and see certain gain in it, wouldn't they do it? Is there anything stopping them?

by das monde on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:06:22 PM EST
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They'll do it until they're caught.  Fortunately, as I'm writing in a diary, they may have finally been caught in New Hampshire.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:14:59 PM EST
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For them to be caught, the press is going to have to agree that they've been caught.

The people who own Diebold also own the press.

Which part of 'dictatorship' isn't clear yet?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 15th, 2008 at 08:45:35 PM EST
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If the N.H. Secretary of State invalidated the election, I think the press would take notice.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 09:20:20 AM EST
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I know.  I'm just pissed off and sick of watching crucial elections being stolen.  Having watched it in person in Palm Beach County, and knowing (regardless of whether it would've changed the outcome) that fraud took place in Ohio in 2004, and now this....

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 11:08:36 AM EST
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Reading through the leaked Diebold internal emails several years ago, it was a case of shotgunning buggy, incomplete, non-robust product through development at the request of management/marketing. At the other end, no-bid style corruption along with election commissions that simply didn't know what they were doing (no understanding of the benefits and limitations of modern technology) got their machines in the door. The machines are embarrassingly insecure, meaning the barrier to tampering is low and does not require a well funded network of people to pull off.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 02:13:11 PM EST
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