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How long would it take to go Copenhagen-Amsterdam with HSR?

I'm wondering because the Swedish HSR is supposed to end in Copenhagen...

Being able to take the train to Amsterdam from Stockholm  (in what, 6 hours?) would be GREAT.

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by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 07:57:17 AM EST
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Can only guess at this (unless DoDo can find distances for the existing track). A Copenhagen - Amsterdam service would have stops in Odense (~ 150 km), pass by Kolding and Flensburg (maybe stops on a slower service), Kiel (at ~ 330 km) and Hamburg (~ 430 km). From Hamburg it should be another 460 - 500 km to Amsterdam, with stops in Bremen, Oldenburg, Groningen, (Assen, on a slower service), Zwolle, (Lelystad, on a slower service), Almere, and Amsterdam Zuid. So that is 790 - 830 kilometres and 9 stops from Copenhagen

Now the Amsterdam - Paris line is about 550 km in length, I think, and will have 6 stops from Amsterdam Zuid with a travel time of 2:57. I'd guess you should take 1.5 times that travel time, so you would have a 4:30 hour trip, with Amsterdam - Hamburg at 2:30 hours. If we build a dedicated HSR. I'd guess Stockholm - Copenhagen will be 2 hours?

With the existing plan, there should be a 200 km/h connection between Amsterdam and Hamburg over Amersfoort, Hengelo, Osnabrück, Bremen somewhere maybe in 2015. That should be about a ~ 4 hour trip (currently the fastest connection is 5:15 hours).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 09:11:32 AM EST
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If bold, let's be really bold: envision the high-speed connection along the Vogelfluglinie (via Lübeck), with the long-planned Fehmarn crossing. That would be around 330 km until Hamburg. Hamburg-Bremen is currently 115.6 km, Bremen-Groningen would be around 170 km, HSL Noord again around 170 km.

As for times, if I am optimistic, with stopping times: Copenhagen-Hamburg 1h20m, on to Bremen 40m, on to Groningen 50m, on to Amsterdam 50m, 3h40m total. If I am less optimistic about just how through the true high-speed lines would become (e.g. longer upgraded/four-tracked sections along the way, near cities and in a Fehmarn tunnel): 2h, 50m, 1h10m, 1h, together 5h. (Note: Paris-Amsterdam on upgraded conventional line from Brussels to Antwerp, and again Schipol-Amsterdam C).

Stockholm-Copenhagen would be roughly 550 km, so your two hours for a true high-speed service sound realistic. (Currently: more than five hours...)

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by DoDo on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 10:15:18 AM EST
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Fehmarn belt bridge is going to be built, that's decided. The Swedish HSR program will not be built before 2020, if business is as usual, but with PO coming, it won't be and I am hoping for earlier construction.

There have been some very postive signs during the last year or two.

I should probably do a diary on it, as the project has the fitting name Europakorridoren, the European Corridor.

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by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 10:29:04 AM EST
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Fehmarn belt bridge is going to be built, that's decided.

That's not how it works.

With such big projects, the decision that really matters is the start of the main construction tenders.

When the 'decision' is a joint government or even EU-level declaration, that can be drawn out indefinitely, with repeated joint declarations that now we really mean business. Or worse, the decisionmakers might be only willing to pay for preliminary studies, and sell those as the start of the project, but then solicit ever more studies (an example: Brenner Base Tunnel). Even when the decision is tendering the detailed plans, that may be followed up by several plan modifications, or disputes over the price tag that may delay the construction tender (example: Malmö city tunnel), even indefinitely.

I should probably do a diary on it

You should!

(And with the political boundaries clearly drawn, I'd be curious at contrarian comments from other ETers versed in Swedish politics ;-) )

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by DoDo on Sun Jan 20th, 2008 at 10:44:46 AM EST
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