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Not sure you'll get much traction here - we've been through this some weeks ago. Of course it is worthy, and I am sure those who wished have already made their contributions. But the number of grains in a 20 kg sack of rice requires an awful lot of effort that might be better spent on another way of solving the problem.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 2nd, 2008 at 02:47:43 PM EST
Thanks, Sven!
I missed it then.
Happy New Year!
by ask on Wed Jan 2nd, 2008 at 03:02:42 PM EST
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Yes, Happy New Year! Let's get things changed...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 2nd, 2008 at 03:04:05 PM EST
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Possibly there are other things amiss as well. From an excellent investigation by ceebs:
I had a quick look... Something doesn't add up here...

First up, each question (after the first one) coughs up three adverts at the bottom of the page - click on any of the links, the operator of the web site gets paid for the "referral". If the click-through results in the user buying anything, the web site operator could get further fees up to a double-figure number of dollars.

And that assumes that there's no dodgy "click fraud" going on in the background every time you choose an answer.

The advertiser providing the links is listed on a lot of anti-spyware sites, for doing dodgy things with "tracking" cookies. SpySweeper doesn't like following their links, that's for sure - and that's generally a bad sign. This flies in the face of the site's Privacy Policy, which also expects YOU to opt-out of tracking by the individual advertisers.

Googling around suggests that a typical bulk sack of rice weighs about 50Kg, and you can expect around 2.5 million grains of rice in a 50Kg sack. That's right, all those ad impressions yesterday resulted in all of about twenty-five sacks (1.25 tonnes) of rice being donated. Or put another way, less than one typical truckload. That's a lot of clicks, for a tiny fraction of a typical aid convoy.

I'd hazard a guess that the cost of buying the rice is absolutely dwarfed by the ad revenue the site owner is pulling in, even after taking the site operating costs into account.

(EDIT: Those will be pretty hefty, given that they've made it to Digg, and lots of bloggers are talking about the site)

There's no indication of whether the site is operated by a registered charity, and the domains mentioned are registered to a PO Box in Indiana. John Breen was originally associated with The Hunger Site but that site has a pucker contact address - this new one doesn't. In fact, the ZIP code mentioned in the domain WHOIS record is only associated with PO Boxes.

In fact, the whole site is very short of contact details, other than an e-mail address to contact them about advertising. That's also a bad sign.

This could be legit, but the lack of info about revenue/donations, the rather terse privacy policy, the advertiser with the overly zealous tracking policy and general lack of contact details would make me very wary of the whole thing.

I'd really like to think this is for real, but I have some nagging doubts, and no easy way of getting answers without posing as an advertiser...

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 01:25:54 PM EST
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Just out of fairness, I'll link to their advice, but, to be honest, it does not really answer the discrepancy between the price of the rice being donated and the money flows on the website.

10 grains of rice per question is just ridiculously little.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 08:03:39 AM EST
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I have to admit that the research and text is down to a friend of mine, who looked into it for someone else.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 09:02:00 AM EST
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Really? So how many grains are there in a sack of rice?

by shergald on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 09:04:35 AM EST
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