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And by investors who have to hold a proportion of AAA's you mean things like pension funds and similar creatures?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 09:47:12 AM EST
Yes, and they will lose a boatload of money in the forced sell-off.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 09:48:58 AM EST
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Wouldn't there be some clause about extraordinary circumstances and/or orderly selling with regard to forced sell offs?

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 09:51:56 AM EST
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I think at some level the heavy regulation of mutual funds to make their investments "safe" may be counterproductive.

Mutual funds are required to engage only in "safe" investments (long only, no derivatives, only top-grade bonds, etc) ostensibly to protect their unsophisticated retail investor base (the proverbial widows and orphans - which including people's private retirement pensions which in the US are called "401k"). I would say that unsophisticated investors have no business being investors. Widows and orphans should have state pensions instead of being encouraged to take on private pensions on the assurances that regulation makes the investment safe.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 10:12:47 AM EST
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which means that you should have compassion for these people and not hit them when they are down.

Yep, you absolutely nailed it.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 10:21:12 AM EST
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There are people who make all their money on the markets by anticipating the predictable moves of all "safe" fund managers.

For example, take index-tracking "passive" fund managers. FTSE Index rebalance coming up? Gee, all of these people are going to have to sell the Northern Rock stock they hold. Let's do a short sell a little bit before the index rebalance and buy it back from the "safe" managers.

Regulations of "safe" investment funds make the funds predictable and therefore vulnerable, allowing the wealthy and "sophisticated" investors to rip off the funds where small-time "unsophisticated" investors put their savings.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 10:33:30 AM EST
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No, no, no.

As ever, Gordon Brown leads the way, and as we see from the FT front page today - "Lenders seek help to fund home loans" - Northern Rock now looks like setting a wonderful precedent.

ie the the Government should guarantee everything......

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 10:33:41 AM EST
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Unsophisticated investors are all of them minus the real manipulators, unfortunately.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 01:37:21 PM EST
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Nah, don't worry.  The whole summary of losses will fit into a cd they will post to the UK, so an appointed clerk can lose it forever.  (;

</lack of seriousness>

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 01:32:44 PM EST
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