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Couldn't this wait a year? I have a house to sell...

"C'est un scandale !"
by redstar on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 08:54:33 AM EST
Rent it out, dear boy, and rent another one somewhere else...
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 08:56:04 AM EST
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Yes, I know. But would prefer not to have fixed assets in America if not living there, thank you!

"C'est un scandale !"
by redstar on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:06:38 AM EST
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If you still have U.S. income, the rent-it option may actually present a tax haven, once you figure in depreciation and costs of any recent maintenance/repairs that could be considered a part of making the house rentable. The only down-side to depreciation is that it reduces 'basis' when/if you sell. Of course, you will have a property 'management' expense, too.

Selling on contract is an excellent approach in a tight-credit situation. You can ask a reasonable down-payment, maybe 6% interest, and, if the buyer defaults, it's easier to recover the property. Down-side is state excise (sales) tax (paid at sale), home-owner's insurance (that you should maintain to assure coverage), and fees to some local representative of your interest.

Taking Chris' approach (my version of it), you could do a rent-to-buy with no interest (but a substantial "deposit") where the "renter's" interest becomes an increasing per cent of equity on the following basis: first you get a current market appraisal, then each month's "rent" (constant rate?) is added to the "renter's" equity (which already includes the "deposit"). If you and "renter" agree to sell to third party in the future, the portion for you is your appraisal, divided by appraisal plus total "rent" payments, times the sale price; "renter" gets the remainder.

If OTOH "renter" wants to cash you out - and if you agree to sell - total "rent" is subtracted from appraised value, and "renter" pays the difference to you. Of course, this type of transaction would leave out all consideration of advantage with respect to inflation, deflation, and relevant market changes; but some kind of formula could be added to the original contract, designed to consider such factors.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 11:49:18 AM EST
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Americans get taxed on their worldwide income whether they have US dollar income or not.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 at 07:36:44 AM EST
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But do you have an outstanding mortgage on it?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 08:57:12 AM EST
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Yes, but loan to val is about 50%. No worries there unless the crash bottoms out at -65% (down roughly 15% here already).

Quartier chic and centrally located near airport, both downtowns and not far from light rail as well so really no worries, but all the same, if in six months no mortgages are being floated, it's pretty hard to sell a house.

(And I hope everyone understands that the prospect of no mortgages being issued is a very real one...)

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:05:58 AM EST
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I do understand that.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:07:09 AM EST
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Ummm...borrow another 30%to 50% and put it on Euro deposit, then.
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:14:34 AM EST
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Benn thinking about that, actually.

But if there's one thing in this that hasn't been obvious to me, it's what will happen to USD.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:15:57 AM EST
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If the US lowers rates it makes it that much less attractive for the rest of the world to keep using their excess dollars to buy T Bills etc.

Also, expect other Gulf states to follow Kuwait out of the Dollar peg soon.

Which won't help the dollar any.

The USD has a lot further to go, and will undoubtedly be oversold in the process, to be dragged back if and when the US can correct the trade balance.....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:20:32 AM EST
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I know, I know, but rationality hasn't really followed events here so far. A rate cut could potentially in the short term at least cause a bit more bad money to chase good in the US.

What you say is of course true, and it will fall. It's just a matter of when, and timing a fall is hard to do, and potentially more expensive than I can afford...

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:04:35 AM EST
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Also, while true the USD must fall, it is less obvious that it wil fall by much to the Euro.

"C'est un scandale !"
by redstar on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:05:10 AM EST
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Good point.

Currencies backed by oil are not a bad option to have a deposit in: Norway and the Gulf States come to mind - even (whisper it not) the Rouble.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:24:06 AM EST
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Why not just buy gold... or even better silver, I wouldn't rule out a silver standard in the future, would make sense imho
by acrowe on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 05:18:35 PM EST
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I'm increasingly glad to be rid of ours ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:06:53 AM EST
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Depending on the area (location ^ 3, ya know) there is still time.  As an example, in our area real estate is underpinned by oil patch and military retirees -- one of the reasons we bought where we bought.

You might look at the actual, as opposed to the fantasy, sustainable underpinnings, if there are any such things, to try and determine your exposure.  Given the economic circumstances it may be reasonable to do a Cut-and-Run.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:37:16 AM EST
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