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The interest rate differential with the Eurozone, by itself, will make the dollar lose value. Dollar-denominated debt will become even less attractive.

Not so long ago the Fed was talking about inflationary pressures. Is this a sign that the Fed now fears deflation because of the large losses of financial and real state asset values? If not, this is really just stoking the fires of inflation.

In any case I have to agree this looks like panic. Already the December rate cut was interpreted as a panicked move and it didn't work as intended.

If the Fed keeps acting "panicked" it will lose "credibility" and then it won't matter what it does.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 08:56:06 AM EST
I'm assuming that this is going to put pressure on the ECB for their next meeting to start dropping rates? Or maybe not. Does a weak dollar matter to the Eurozone?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 08:58:21 AM EST
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I'm hoping Tricket will keep a steady hand.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:05:13 AM EST
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Well... Looking at the French stock exchange, the 75 points rate cut had an effect.

For about 30 minutes. Indeed, half an hour later, the CAC was pretty much trading as before the cut. I guess it's a safe conclusion that it is being viewed as not making much of a positive difference.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:04:37 AM EST
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Just about the same 30 min rise in the DAX, where it even touched positive, before dropping back another 2.3%.

In windpower stocks, Vestas, hammered since weeks, broke back into positve territory all day today, currently up 12%.  Nordex, also hammered for weeks, saw similar gains all day today, hovering now at null.  It's far too early to tell, but i'm hoping this means wind will become a more preferred investment i these crazy conditions.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:29:51 AM EST
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The Federal Reserve has cut interest rates to 3.5%, a shock three-quarters of a percentage point reduction. Moving to shore up confidence in the US economy...

In fact, I think that exceeding (0.5% cut?) expectations in this way serves to throw petrol on the flames.

IMHO the last thing an over-reaction does is to "shore up confidence", although the markets may yet prove me wrong.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:05:33 AM EST
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They won't prove you wrong.  They're tanking.  Bernanke's panic is on full display.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:31:04 AM EST
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Would you really characterize this as an over-reaction? Bernanke's panicking, sure, but not without reason, and even if the instrument he's holding is ineffective it's still his duty to use it.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:43:02 AM EST
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Half the Fed chairman's job is bullshitting the markets into thinking he's got it all under control.  When he pulls stunts like this, it potentially tells hamsters on Wall Street that the Fed is being run by monkeys.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 09:49:12 AM EST
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But in view of international developments, standing pat was not an option either.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:00:46 AM EST
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No, but putting together a STRATEGY rather than throwing money out of a toy helicopter would have calmed the markets.

Someone with a clue, instead of a latex-jowled MarketBot, would have had plans in place well in advance.

(Although I suppose someone with a clue would never have been given the job in the first place.)

The solution is politcally unacceptable - tax cuts for the poor and middle classes, aggressive tax increases for the very rich, especially on speculative non-investment, as opposed to structural project funding, a formal end to the Iraq fiasco with all of its pointless spending, a redirection of the money towards social investment, and very strong changes in banking regulation and reporting to clear the crap out of the system.

Instead we'll see more flapping and spinning, and a big pile of 'Complete surprise - who could have expected...?' from the Very Serious People. Also tax increases for the poor and middle classes, tax cuts for the very rich, yet more spending on Iraq, further cuts in social investment, and some modest proposals towards 'self-regulation' for the markets.

Bah. Morons.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:26:11 AM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
Someone with a clue, instead of a latex-jowled MarketBot, would have had plans in place well in advance.
They had a 6-month warning, after all. And a lot of pre-shocks in the intervening time.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:30:10 AM EST
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Yes, they had a six-month warning, and their reactions ranged from utterly panicked to mildly entertained.  Had we started gearing up for this six months ago, when the meltdown began, we might have avoided much of the harsh punishment.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:32:57 AM EST
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Daily Kos: The dollar has lost 1/3 of its value (by LondonYank on November 07, 2007)
I am advising central bankers next week on strengthening their preparedness.  I will be telling them to abandon any focus on capital adequacy requirements.  It's far too late for that to have any effect on the fall out.  They should focus instead on reviewing and modernising their bankruptcy laws, enabling transfer of customer accounts and nominee assets from failing banks to healthy banks, providing for rapid auction of failed bank businesses and assets, and other practical measures for limiting loss, contagion and debilitating paralysis in the markets.
Note the date.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:36:54 AM EST
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Sure.  I'm simply referring to six months ago the markets smacking the public in the face with the reality of the situation.  Many throughout the blogosphere have been on this for years, along with guys like Krugman.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:51:01 AM EST
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Yes, this is precisely the strategy that would work.  But, unfortunately, I'm sure you'll be more right than wrong on the reality.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:31:07 AM EST
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... Conference Board Index of Leading Economic Indicators ... that is ... Oct-Dec, was announced at the end of last week.

Only once has the ILEI fallen every month in a quarter without leading an actual recession ... in the late 60's, when it was short circuited by two aggressive discount rate cuts.

So no point now avoiding a substantially looser monetary policy that would be taken to "signal" that the Fed fears a recession ... everyone knows a US recession is on its way.

Now eyes turn to China, to see how well they manage to keep growth on track in the lead in to the Olympics.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 03:50:08 PM EST
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This question is a bit of an aside in these highly entertaining circumstances, but what are the odds that all this fun continues to snowball and ... um ... might we say 'spoil the party' that will be the massive wankfest in Beijing? (Sorry, I've never been a fan of the Olympics ... IMO, they should give them back to Athens in perpetuity and be done with the perpetual cycle of bribery and corruption that attends the whole thing).
by wing26 on Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 at 09:40:26 AM EST
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The answer to that lies in the EU, China's biggest export market. China can avoid a US recession turning into a Chinese recession if they can still keep strong export demand in Europe ... certainly for half a year.

If the EU slides into recession, then its a much harder ask.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 at 10:43:28 AM EST
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