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Exactly. What is government for? Liberty, equality, fraternity. The values of cooperation, not competition. The values of working together, not against each other.

I'd add resistance as a basic value. Resistence to crap. The capitalist demand for growth is based on expanding the amount of crap on Earth. Creating it and selling it. It has to stop.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 02:53:03 PM EST
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Yes damn all those people in the third world who want all this 'crap' capitalism produces, but hey I guess you can plan the economy so much better, I mean look at history central planning is a breeze! Capitalism doesn't demand growth, growth is the by product of Capitalism.  
by acrowe on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 05:13:22 PM EST
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I have no interest in promoting central planning, nor capitalism. I have something entirely different in mind.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 05:19:12 PM EST
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if not controlled. But in fact capitalism does demand growth. Without growth, the capitalists can't hide the fact that they're ripping everybody off - including, and especially, the third world.

As far as damning them - hmmm. What an odd choice of words. I don't think that anyone here is doing that.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 06:18:48 PM EST
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And of course there is nothing wrong with growth as such - it just has to be sustainable.

A little tagline I often use about Finland is a quote from a Nokia exec, a few years ago - 'All we have in Finland is trees and brains'.

He's right, and both can be grown sustainably. Brains are the best resource we have - that the planet has. That is why education should be a priority investment, and teaching at all levels should be one of the most respected occupations in any society. But it is not.

Maybe that is one good explanation for why I like ET so much - we are teaching ourselves.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 at 11:06:29 AM EST
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