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Let's lighten this one up:

Following the pavilion face-off at the Paris Expo higher upthread, here we have the face-off in the posters during the war in, apparently, Nice (see above hoarding).

On the left, the Nazis were of course fighting terra. The Reds were guilty of Katyn, Vinnitza (I don't know what happened there except it's a Ukrainian town that was nastily visited by the SS Einsatzgruppen...), and the Haute Savoie (as margouillat notes), probably because of maquis activity.

What is the adjectif after "TERRORISME" that is hidden by the passer-by? Sibérien? ???

To the right, we have the good guys who are out in the snow fighting terra: the F that is visible is the end of LVF, the Légion des Volontaires Français, a French Kollabo volunteer unit that fought on the Eastern front. There were not many volunteers.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 at 11:04:00 AM EST
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Heh. STALINIEN...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 at 11:05:47 AM EST
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Did you call me ? :-)

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 at 11:15:19 AM EST
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Not many volunteers, but many poor alsatians kids that were dragged into it, more so at the end of the war...

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 at 11:19:00 AM EST
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True, though they weren't in the LVF as far as I know, but in the Waffen-SS or the Wehrmacht (see Malgré-nous).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 at 11:30:33 AM EST
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Probably could've attracted more collabos for the eastern front if they had thought to give them gloves...

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant
by redstar on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 at 12:47:55 PM EST
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Vinnitza (I don't know what happened there except it's a Ukrainian town that was nastily visited by the SS Einsatzgruppen...)

One location during Stalin's Great Terror, exhumed and propagandised by the SS while they filled their own mass graves nearby. Read it here.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Jan 25th, 2008 at 01:16:57 PM EST
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OK, it's a different spelling that Wikipedia didn't bring up for me.

I never fail to be surprised by how sensitive the Nazis were to "atrocity propaganda". That is, they flogged it for all it was worth against the Soviets, but also claimed Jewish complaints about bad treatment before the war were invented. What I'm thinking is that they were aware of the damage it could cause to others and to them if massacres and atrocities were publicised, yet the Allies (West™) always fought shy of using their knowledge of Nazi atrocities (of organised mass murder by the end of 1942) and never fully used it as a propaganda weapon.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jan 26th, 2008 at 08:46:23 AM EST
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Ah Hum...Modern day propaganda seems just similar...?

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Sat Jan 26th, 2008 at 10:06:10 AM EST
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Propaganda on both sides in WWII was extremely sophisticated. Here's the example from before the war that I was thinking of: the Nazis deflecting attention from reports of growing discrimination against and mistreatment of Jews.

I'd seen the same poster in a different setting. It calls on good Germans to fight die jüdische Creuelpropaganda by buying in German (non-Jewish) shops. A good German lady looks on. The photo tells the story of what good Germans should be doing, etc -- addressed ostensibly, therefore, to a German public.

Er, but what's wrong with that analysis?

Why is the message translated into English?

For which public is the photo (and others like it) really intended? I'd say British and particularly American. The keywords are "Jewish atrocity propaganda". There had been false atrocity propaganda during WWI, and the Nazis were cashing in on it by suggesting Jewish claims of mistreatment were bogus. Muddying the waters...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jan 26th, 2008 at 10:42:18 AM EST
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"Calomniez, calomniez, il en restera toujours quelque chose" (Francis Bacon

The english part of the picture is indeed surprising ! The fact that it isn't in french too, would aim more at the US then at UK (as after all the french were supposed to be "ze" great military power in the neighborhood)?

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman

by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Sat Jan 26th, 2008 at 10:56:08 AM EST
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