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Hesse

ZDF
CDU  36,3%
SPD  37,1%
FDP   9,1%
Green 8,0%
Left  4,8%
Other 4,7%

ARD
CDU  35,7%
SPD  37,5%
FDP   9,4%
Green 8,0%
Left  4,9%
Other 4,5%

ZDF sees a "patt". 55 seats for both CDU-FDP or SPD-Greens. ARD sees a tiny SPD-Green majority of 56 seats.

Lower Saxony:

ZDF
CDU  42,3%
SPD  30,9%
FDP   8,0%
Green 8,0%
Left  6,9%
Other 3,9%

ARD
CDU  43,8%
SPD  29,6%
FDP   8,1%
Green 8,1%
Left  6,6%
Other 3,8%

Seems pretty clear.
CDU-FDP coalition.

by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 12:34:55 PM EST
Hessen,

ZDF 18:42 CET:
CDU  36.3% (-12.5)
SPD  37.1% (+8.0)
FDP   9.1% (+1.2)
Greens 8.0% (-3.1)
Leftists 4.9%

ARD/HR 18:45 CET:
CDU  36.0% (-12.8)
SPD  37.2% (+8.1)
FDP   9.3% (+1.4)
Greens 8.0% (-2.1)
Leftists 4.9%

Turnout: predicted at 64.5% (-0.1)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 01:00:26 PM EST
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Big changes in ZDF's 19:00 figures!

CDU  36.5% (-12.3), 42 seats
SPD  37.0% (+7.9), 42 seats
FDP   9.4% (+1.5), 11 seats
Greens 7.7% (-3.4), 9 seats
Leftists 5.0%, 6 seats

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 01:17:28 PM EST
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Now ARD's 19:25 projection shows the same change to the critical situation (i.e. my 2.D version most likely):

ARD/HR 18:45 CET:
CDU  36.2% (-12.6), 41 seats
SPD  37.1% (+8.0), 43 seats
FDP   9.4% (+1.5), 11 seats
Greens 7.8% (-2.3), 9 seats
Leftists 5.0%, 6 seats

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 01:40:04 PM EST
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ARD/HR 21:20:
CDU  36.6% (-12.2), 42 seats
SPD  36.9% (+7.8), 42 seats
FDP   9.4% (+1.5), 11 seats
Greens 7.5% (-2.6), 9 seats
Leftists 5.0%, 6 seats

Now official end results from the districts stream in. The large swings are across the board, in all election districts. Mini-parties: hardcore far-right party NPD got 1.5% in one district, but below 1% on average; the Pirates get a few tenths of a percent everywhere.

At ARD, you can watch Ypsilanti's victory speech from around 19h. She speaks a lovely Hessisch, lots of "Isch"-es and so on. Greatest cheers: when she declares that the success of this campaign will have results at federal level.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 03:36:33 PM EST
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This is encouraging news. For that horror-show Koch to get the boot, but above all by a woman from the real left -- in fact, it's the first good news in ages!

Arte News now has a slick young French anchor, and the tone has moved right. This evening he didn't look too pleased, and opened on the CDU victory in Lower Saxony without mentioning that it was the incumbent who won without surprise (it was as if Wulff had pulled off a real feat). He reported Hessen, but barely mentioned the defeat of Koch. Arte used to be more "neutral".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 04:34:07 PM EST
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Only one election district (of 55) still not reporting.

But, fuck! ZDF's last projection, from 22:51, has CDU ahead by 36.8% to 36.7%... While ARD has them dead-even at 36.7%.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 05:11:29 PM EST
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Two scaled-down pictures from a SPIEGEL ON-LINE photo series:

Would be fun among them -- SPD supporters reacting to the exit polls:

Ypsilanti's successful campaign cut into the Green votes. Yet, if the Left gets to govern, expect Green leader Tarek Al-Wazir (whose father came from Yemen) to be its sharp tongue. We haven't showed him yet, so Here he is, with wife when voting:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 01:10:24 PM EST
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SPIEGEL ON-LINE "remembers" Koch...

This was May 2003, when Dubya, Cheney & the neocons showed whom they'd really like, by accepting Koch for a short-order visit after turning down Merkel for long. But ice-cold tactician Merkel even campaigned for Koch:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 01:31:35 PM EST
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For-show campaigning. She could not let a powerful CDU member like Koch drop, publicly. But her position in the CDU will be strengthened as a result of him losing (and exiting politics, one hopes).
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 01:51:00 PM EST
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In other words, ice-cold tactician :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 01:56:29 PM EST
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Do German politicians actually leave politics after these kinds of defeats ?

Damn. If only French politicians could copy them on that.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 02:00:21 PM EST
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Often, but it happens that losers get into the federal government. For example, current environment minister Sigmar Gabriel used to be Schröder's successor as Lower Saxony PM, then was beaten and Wulf succeeded him. I'd hope Merkel feels strong enough now to prevent such a route for Koch.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 02:03:45 PM EST
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If Koch steps down and calls the party for a favour Merkel will promote him away. New York, one hopes, not Brussels.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 02:09:48 PM EST
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Yes. There are advisory boards to be sat at.

I would not be surprised if Koch does not step down. He's a pernicious [expletive] like that. But hopefully the CDU state party in Hessen is not entirely beholden.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 02:12:57 PM EST
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As a backgrounder to DoDo's statements: the Minister-Presidents of the German states have for a long time held a remarkable amount of power. This is because first, the States have a lot of power themselves, second, the states also form the German upper house (Bundesrat), and the Bundesrat is dominated by the CDU (supermajority) to an extent where it can in practice block nearly all legislation.

Four of the current Minister-Presidents of the CDU are part of a political career pact (Andenpakt). A further Andenpakt member is in Merkel's government, and yet another is now President of the European Parliament. So speaking to Roland Koch is not like talking to the Governor of, say, Illinois. He was one of the most powerful politicians in German politics of the last 6-odd years.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 02:30:51 PM EST
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Koch:

Y:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 05:20:07 PM EST
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Love this picture -- an old commie gets emotional:

(Hessen Left Party headquarters sees the projections)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 02:05:59 PM EST
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