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Ypsilanti declared No. Nor would it be supported by large parts of both parties. What is possible is Linke support for minority government, they already declared they'd elect Ypsilanti PM. Whether she'd [allowed to] accept  at least that in the end, we'll see.

Ypsilanti also declared that the CDU's programme is the same even without Koch, so she's not for a Grand Coalition either.

Unfortunately, now the first move is the CDU's. And I already read the idea that Koch and his former faction head, current federal defense minister Franz-Josef Jung would trade places -- if they could also engineer a coup in the SPD to make them coalition partner, they could turn defeat into victory...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 06:19:21 PM EST
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Diary request from anyone who feels competent enough: What is the matter with the German left - Why a Red Green Red coalition is impossible

I guess the short answer would be DDR, but a longer one would be appreciated. As I see it the SPD & Grüne throws away an election victory for the left if they choose grand coalition over coalition with or support from Linke. But then again, I do not live in Germany.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 07:56:38 PM EST
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It differs per state. There is a red-red coalition in Berlin. There could be a red-green-red coalition.

But if I may be so bold, I agree with the SPD in this particular case. The left party there has just been established. You first want to see if it can operate as a functional political unit. Policy differences aside. The left party in Bremen has already descended into petty infighting.

So, if the left party in Hessen can function as a good opposition party for four years, they can become a credible partner. Which, I think, is what they want to do themselves.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 08:17:46 PM EST
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Supplementing nanne:

  • It is one of the foundation myths of the modern SPD that they are the democratic socialists in contrast to the undemocratic socialists further left. This comes to play not only when thinking of the Eastern German progenidor of the Left Party, but also the former West German Communists in the Hessen branch.

  • The Lafontaine factor: the West German co-leader of the federal Left Party was a leading SPD man before. Those who supported him strongly followed into the Left Party. Many of those who remained view him as traitor.

  • For the Left Party, there is also the matter of simple survival: a just established party must fear too many compromises as junior partner in a government, i.e. that part of their voters will turn their backs on them, the rest go for a larger coalition partner next time.

I think the Left Party will become a "normal" party for coalition calculations everywhere only after a generation change at the top, when old preconceptions will no more apply.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 03:12:49 AM EST
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Never going to happen. Merkel does not want Koch in a position of power, near her. The SPD will not offer up Ypsilanti. They can be stupid, but they're not suicidal. What will happen is that Ypsilanti will try to form a coalition with the FDP and the Greens, and the FDP either comes around (which I think likely), or we get a very long formation.

Koch will either resign and go into another career, or stay on as opposition leader.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 at 08:11:03 PM EST
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In my fear of CDU manipulation of the SPD, I forgot about possible SPD maipulation of the FDP...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 01:48:17 AM EST
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...is something that I think will happen either way.

Traffic lights coalition (SPD+FDP+Greens): shafting the non-xenophobic CDU voters who chose them as alternative on economy, and promises to not join an SPD government; and the FDP will surely demand a heavy price which may not make the SPD Left happy

Jamaica coalition (CDU+FDP+Greens): would destroy the Greens, simply impossible

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 03:19:05 AM EST
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It all depends on how much you get as a party and how you sell it. The FDP across Germany is stuck on being a right-liberal party, which is a sure way to stay in the single digits. If they want to impose that exile upon themselves, so be it.

The electorate is adrift. A lot can change in four years. I would think that if the FDP has the chance right now to enter a coalition but does not take it, it will in four years have to explain that decision, too. And if the economy is not doing too badly, they will have a very difficult job at that.

On the other hand, if they join they can always claim that good performance is due to their mitigation of the irresponsible ideas of the SPD and the greens.

Of course, the FDP is going to calculate. I read that the chairman (IIRC) thinks they should prepare for an early election. But other voices in the party are making the argument that the party has to be independent about its decisions and should not exclude any partnership with the SDP or the greens beforehand.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 07:47:08 AM EST
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Adding: there are quite a few people within the FDP who think the party should naturally get 20%. There is some pride involved in this. They don't want to see a party they think should be much bigger wed permanently to a bigger brother.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 07:50:44 AM EST
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For the Hessen FDP? the money elite vote is an especially strong factor: check where they got spectacularly high votes, it's the rich men's refuges on the slopes of the Taunus mountains (to the Northwest of Frankfurt).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 08:33:14 AM EST
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I get that feedback from the federal level. The moneyed elite can live with free daycare and green energy, I would guess. Or are there a lot of industrialists? They will mainly care about taxes.

So, again, if the FDP does not enter the government, but the government does raise some taxes that hurt the rich, the FDP's base may not appreciate it.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 09:14:47 AM EST
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Yet another reply: I think a coalition of the greens and the CDU will happen, eventually, somewhere. It could, I think, already have happened in Berlin if the local CDU had succeeded in their attempts to get Klaus Töpfer to run, instead of the unelectable Friedbert Pflüger.

In Hessen it is indeed completely out of the question.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 at 08:08:22 AM EST
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