"I argued the claim that Germany had no political violence of the level seen in Budapest recently, not its effectivity." Then you argue a point I have not made. But one could make this point as well. My history teacher in school (who was relatively pro-68er although I don't think he used ever violence) said in France the protests had a different quality than in Germany. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers