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Well, AT, I'd say we did pretty well tonight, my friend.  We each got it half-right.  Care to start the bets on New Hampshire?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 12:21:22 AM EST
We didn't do too bad, at that.

The surprise we expected was the Obama GOTV effort paid off.  CNN is reporting 227,000 Dems participated.  Damn.  That was unexpected.  

With that all bets are now off.  I want to see some polling from NH before making any prediction.  Independents are the key to NH and with both McCain and Obama fishing that pond.  It's who can land 'em that will do the best.

The big loser tonight was Bush and the Washington Establishment.  On the GOP side Huckabee is their worst nightmare.  For the Dems Clinton was soundly rejected.

Personally, I'm dismayed by Obama winning by that large a percentage.  Anecdotal evidence is even saying in a ballot he would have won by double digits.  Should Obama continue to trash the unions he could rip a hole in the Dem coalition, just as Huckabee threatens to do to the GOP.

On the good side, we've got ourselves a horse race.

BTW, here is the Presidential Primary Calendar.  

by ATinNM on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 01:33:32 AM EST
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Independents are the key to NH and with both McCain and Obama fishing that pond.

Can you vote in both primaries in NH or only one?

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 10:01:51 AM EST
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People registered in a party can only vote for the candidates of that party.  Those registered Independent can for a candidate in either party, but only once.
by ATinNM on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 11:50:38 AM EST
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how do they tell?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:58:01 AM EST
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I don't think Obama will trash the unions.  Edwards, Obama and Clinton have positions that are pretty much identical on unions, except that Clinton's proposals don't include the ban on permanent replacement of striking workers (or maybe I'm just not seeing it on her site).

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 01:34:55 PM EST
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Also, in fairness to Clinton, those acts are going to be passed by Congress if the Dems hold on.  (We often forget that, while all candidates promise things, Congress has the ultimate power in the end.  Whether any of the three can achieve these plans depends wholly on Congress passing them.)  I, honestly, can't see any of the three vetoing those acts, and I do think the Dems will hold Congress and pass them.

And they will be good steps -- significant, but only steps -- in the right direction to strengthening our unions and rebuilding the middle and working classes.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 02:20:56 PM EST
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I think turnout wound up being about 240-250,000.  About double what we had four years ago, which signals to me that Iowa is going to be back in our column in November.  Republican turnout was up a bit from 2000 (the last competitive caucus), but Democratic turnout absolutely exploded.

The Establishment figures were clearly rejected.  I was impressed that many in the media called that.  Chris Matthews and the MSNBC crew really nailed it.  I'm not sure what CNN saw coming, since I don't watch it.

What I think will carry Obama now is the fact that we have a clear picture of the anti-Hillary vote, and it is even stronger than I think most of us would've guessed.  About 71% did not go for Hillary, and I think the results support my suspicion that if Voter X is not already with Hillary for the primaries, Voter X will not be with Hillary.  If the second-tier people and the undecideds go to Obama, and if it winds up being Hillary vs Obama, the race is probably over.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 01:42:40 PM EST
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