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by poemless on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 01:22:37 PM EST
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No, no, I'm replying to my choice has not made a difference in 15 years.

Is picking the winner the only way that your vote makes a difference?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 01:33:50 PM EST
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How else would my vote make a difference?  I suppose that if I lived in FL in 2000 that might be true, that I would have made a difference by voting for someone who lost anyway- Nader.  

I hate it when you do this thing where you understand every well what I meant to say : the person I voted for has lost, but act like you don't.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 01:45:22 PM EST
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With that reasoning, your vote only makes a difference, regardless of who you vote for, if the election is decided by a few votes. If you vote for the winner but they win in a landslide, your vote was also inconsequential.

But that can't be the point of voting, can it?

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 05:09:55 PM EST
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This line of reasoning is how I concluded that voting is tribal. Since your vote does not change anything, the point must be found in the voter, not the vote.

My conclusion is that you vote to express your part in, and support for, your group (however you define it). Getting a candidate accepted as the probable winner gets the people who wants to identify with the winning party. Getting a candidate defined as the underdog gets those that wants to identify with the underdog. And so on.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 07:30:25 PM EST
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Exactly, the value of the vote is in actually casting it.

There was a point made that on the referendum on the Spanish Constitution of 1978 a lot of the campaigning was against abstention. Those unreconstructed fascists who voted against fell in the trap of validating the democratic system by casting a vote.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 4th, 2008 at 07:49:31 PM EST
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