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Apart from restaurants, a lot else sucked in the DDR too.  
by GreatZamfir on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:17:09 AM EST
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Perhaps, but to some Western observers the only thing that seemed to matter was the absence of good restaurants ... and my point is that getting anyone to work in restaurants in the first place depends on economic coercion. OK, to some extent work is a fact of life. But do some people really have to work when their loved ones/potential loved ones aren't?

I understand the DDR had a population of about 17 million. So - and I ask for this metric just for comparision in the economic coercion stakes - how many sex workers did it have? There are nearly a quarter of a million in HK, but that's Asia. Capitalist glamour again, you see. Then again, HK is quite developed economically (i.e. it's not Thailand). So that would give well in excess of half a million sex workers in the DDR, if it was doing 'as well' as the paragons of the (Asian) capitalist world in this regard.

Perhaps if you give people a guaranteed basic standard of living, they all choose not to work in the 'hospitality' industries - broadly defined. And is that so bad?

by wing26 on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 07:34:59 AM EST
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Well, apparently the Stasi had millions of people on its informer list. And the country had armed guards and a wall to keep the population from escaping. That must count as some measure of its people's well-being.

I am not sure what you are trying to prove, but I am quite sure the DDR is not going to be a good example for it.

by GreatZamfir on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 10:59:39 AM EST
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Your contention that restaurants didn't exist because nobody would work in them seems flawed.  Under the state socialist model, individuals did not have the authority to open private businesses like restaurants.  Their absence more likely points to the general disregard for the consumer economy that plagued all state socialist economies - on the one hand, the first man in space, on the other, the Trabant.

I found Catherine Verdery's examination of socialist accounting practices in Romania quite revealing on this point, as she tracked the systems of incentives built in the accounting systems to show how the system regarded any goods provided to consumers, of any sort, as a loss - and thus, unsurprisingly, firms tended to minimize losses. This was from one of her chapters in the book, What was Socialism, and What Comes Next

by Zwackus on Thu Jan 31st, 2008 at 04:58:49 PM EST
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