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You know, your political leaders as just as batshit insane as US political leaders.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run
by ATinNM on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 05:21:49 PM EST
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No, they're worse. They think they're American.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 05:23:46 PM EST
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LOL!

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run
by ATinNM on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 05:34:19 PM EST
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Incidentally, this reminds me of a theory that Colman and I have been hashing out over IM. In a nutshell, this is the same old same old Western Empire, it's just that the seat of it moved to the US a while ago. So, the European elites are just second-tier functionnaries of the Empire. This would explain a lot.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 05:56:54 PM EST
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We're Greece. They're Rome.

Food is running out, and the barbarians are at the gates.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 06:17:37 PM EST
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Well, the Eastern Roman Empire lasted until it was taken over (not destroyed) by the Ottomans (not the barbarians).

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 06:19:48 PM EST
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Toga!  Toga!  Toga!

(Sorry.  I'm in a bit of 'a mood' this afternoon.)

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 06:31:42 PM EST
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Shouldn't there be a historical Godwin alternative for this?

(Not that Hitler wasn't historical. But never mind.)

Shall we call it an AT?

"Someone mentioned the Romans. You've been AT'd. This thread is over."

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 07:50:22 PM EST
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"this is the same old same old Western Empire, it's just that the seat of it moved to the US a while ago"

I think this captures it in a nutshell. The European experience extended over the Atlantic to America a long time ago, and currently (perhaps temporarily) the new Rome is Washington.

I would ask why you exclude South America from your new Western Empire, though, because it is also an extension of Europe in practically all dimensions--culture, religion, economic system, language...

by asdf on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 11:02:19 AM EST
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Latin America is periphery, not core. Besides, the indigenous peasants are revolting while the core is distracted with outside threats.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 11:04:36 AM EST
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I'm not sure that's fair.

Maybe a better way of putting it is that American and European elites have more in common with one another than they do with their respective national masses.  And I suspect that ordinary Americans and Europeans have more in common with one another than with their respective elites as well.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 06:00:23 PM EST
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It's not fair, it's a snark.

In the case of people like Aznar and Blair it is clear that they decided to sell out their countries to get themselves into the US lecture circuit. Maybe the same can be said of Klaus. So, apart from the UK where this sort of intermarriage with the US establishment probably has been going on for many decades, I think in countries like Spain and the Czech Republic there is an emerging class which does want to be closely tied to the US establishment.

For some reason I think people like Merkel are sincerely Atlanticist: they seem to be really unable to imagine US interests differing from European interests, so I would put the German elite in a different category.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 06:12:02 PM EST
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In the case of people like Aznar and Blair it is clear that they decided to sell out their countries to get themselves into the US lecture circuit. Maybe the same can be said of Klaus. So, apart from the UK where this sort of intermarriage with the US establishment probably has been going on for many decades, I think in countries like Spain and the Czech Republic there is an emerging class which does want to be closely tied to the US establishment.

I think that in-bred is the proper word to describe it.  Don't forget that the before British elites emulated America, American elites emulated Britain. Same assholes, different flag.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Jan 5th, 2008 at 07:13:27 PM EST
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