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As for ugly, I think that is news TV spin to draw in more viewers. This is the segment they're talking about. Considering how good Edwards' attack is, I'd say Hillary responds quite mildly.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 06:14:37 AM EST
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At this stage, Hillary is running scared. A rerun of the national polls after New Hampshire will give us a better idea if Hillary's reversion to the "change" message resonates, she her campaign thus far has been all about experience (in the same old Washington corporate run politics).

by shergald on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 09:09:21 AM EST
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Hillary sure must be running scared -- and with reason: Obama is likeable, cuts across as the ultimate American in the sense that he's of mixed race, which if exploited properly, is something that could ensure him the black vote, the middle of the ground and many of of the voting population from the upper middle ground.

But difficult to put a good, intelligent woman down -- expect Hillary to bounce back. As I've said,  Bill Clinton, who was once tagged the "first black president" of the US, is still a vote getting force to reckon with. Pundits are saying on that he's still capable of drawing the black votes for his wife.

Obviously, Hillary will have to work double or treble time to catch up, i.e., attictude change. But at this point, nobody should count her out of the running, not even with the 'catastrophic' survey ratings she's getting a couple days away from the NH primary.

by The3rdColumn on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 09:21:07 PM EST
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I've only seen the short excerpt of the debate posted here and it says two things to me.  Edwards took up most of the airtime to present himself as Obama's no. 2 - noting minor differences but basically saying I'm on your (change) team.  Obama didn't really acknowledge him in any way.

Hilary responded by saying that it is one thing to talk about change and quite another to actual do it, and that she's been doing it for 35 years - and giving some concrete examples that have helped real people in New Hampshire.

Why would you vote for Edwards based on his wordy excerpt here in which he basically endorsed Obama?  He is defining himself out of the race.

It's now about Obama rhetoric of change against Clinton track record - and however you might interpret that.

OK -I'm reading a lot into one short exchange, but if this is the bit that is making headlines, then it isn't doing Edwards any favours.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 09:16:20 AM EST
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Hello Frank,

By the way, it was you who made me aware that Euro Trib existed when you mentioned it in one of your posts in Charles Bremner's. Thanks -- great idea.

Know what? As far as this space is concerned, we will be very happy if, come nomination time, candidates are narrowed down to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. (Of course, this blog understands that one of them has got to be the running mate of the other after the 'investiture.')

by The3rdColumn on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 11:04:24 AM EST
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Yea - but I think people there are getting fed up with my repeated plugs for ET so I'm bailing out of Timesonline.

I don't think Hilary will agree to be the VP nominee for anyone.  If you've lived in the main house it's hard to move out to the gate lodge!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 02:53:11 PM EST
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Obama did acknowledge him at several points during the debate.  (Obama couldn't acknowledge him too much, as he's now got to try to grab the inevitability mantle.)  This was clearly a tag-team matchup between Edwards/Obama and Richardson/Clinton.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jan 6th, 2008 at 12:42:03 PM EST
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