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I think that looks about right with an MOE of 3% or so. I suspect Edwards will do worse than people are hoping. He doesn't have the ground game and he hasn't had the media support.

Clintonites will be aiming for a push-back, so whatever support she has will be very active.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 11:55:44 AM EST
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He doesn't have the ground game in New Hampshire, but he does have a pretty dedicated base of support.

The air is coming out of the Clinton campaign so fast.  It may well be that Hillary, not Obama (as conventional wisdom had it), winds up being the Howard Dean of 2008.  Fewer people are showing up at her events (only 1/3 capacity for Big Dawg in Bow, NH, per the NYT); her shots aren't landing; she may be running out of money (Trippi may well be onto something there); and it's just been reported that she's pushed her rat-faced chief strategist, Mark "Kill-the-Unions" Penn, out to take over the strategy herself.

Edwards also, as I mentioned the other day, really got to her in the last debate on Saturday.  She was further wounded by that, and she made Edwards appear the more poised and presidential -- allegedly Hillary's strong point -- between he and her.

All signs point to Hillary simply having no answer, and imploding.

I figured her campaign would be tough, -- "No Surrender," "Bury Them All" tough -- but there are signs of desperation everywhere.  Her lead is disintegrating elsewhere, I'd bet, although I obviously don't have access to the internal polling.  You may well be right about Edwards doing worse than I think he will, but right now the Clinton campaign is screaming "Glass Jaw" to me.

Edwards has moved up a bit, but my bet below is on a continuing of Hillary's precipitous decline.  Edwards almost doesn't have to move much, and, again, I think there may be some strategic shifting of voters by Obama on the ground.  He has a massive lead now, and he could put an end to Clinton by helping Edwards without suffering any damage.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:28:22 PM EST
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I chortle.  I laugh in tones of elfen merriness.  Tra-la.  Tra-la.

Clinton is being bit by the ticks she brung with her.

Too late to change strategy.  She wrapped herself in the Inevitability argument and now she's no longer Inevitable that dog won't hunt.  

And she doesn't have anything left.  

Oh, she can try to play the, "In 35 years I ain't done squat" message, as she did in the debate.  That would be really funny to watch.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 01:50:50 PM EST
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I do feel bad for her, watching her realize that the old guard has led her down the wrong path, and knowing that she's put up with a lot that she didn't deserve over the years.  The right wing has spent years saying hideous things about her and her family (most sickening, her daughter, whom they've tried to shield from politics).  Her husband humiliated her in front of the entire planet.

But, in the end, it can't be denied that she did this to herself.  She supported this hideous war.  She didn't back down from that position.  Then she ran the most conventional, Washington-ized campaign one could imagine, and, when she began to slip, she allowed her staff to launch some truly disgusting dog-whistle attacks on Obama.  And she's going to pay for it by losing her shot at the White House.

So I feel bad for her in some ways, but, at the end of the day, she has only herself to blame.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 02:10:50 PM EST
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There's that. And Bill.

It was her big mistake to let him out of the bag this summer and during the '06 election cycle. BIG mistake.

The "strategists" shoulda let that dwag lie in fond remembrance.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Mon Jan 7th, 2008 at 03:21:52 PM EST
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This campaign has become one focused almost entirely now on stopping Clinton. It matters little who takes her to task, Edwards or Obama. Still, it is Obama who has the momentum and that's the candidate to go for.

This campaign is not just about relieving the American political scene of this scurge of right wing corporate religious Republicanism. It is also about preventing another dose of Republican Lite centrist pseudoDemocratic Clintonian politics from having another go at it in the Whitehouse.

The era of Clintonian soft Republicanism is over.

by shergald on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 07:41:00 AM EST
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There's no real need to stop her now.  She was stopped in Iowa, and she's digging the hole deeper by playing the Rudy Mussolini card on terrorism -- I venture to say she came dangerously close to earning a special comment on Olbermann's show last night -- and going after Obama for wanting to lift the cap on payroll taxes ("a $1tn middle-class tax increase" that only affects the top 6% of earners).

So she's got the GOP fearmongering mixed with the trashing of a more progressive tax structure.  That just about covers it all, and now it's just a question of how much she ruins the Clinton name.

Edwards's basic strategy -- and Joe Trippi has been very open on it -- is essentially to "hang around the drain and hope he doesn't get sucked down it."  His only prayer, at this point, is for Clinton to get out, and for Obama to screw up.  If Obama doesn't screw up, -- and he doesn't seem to be prone to it thus far -- Edwards is left to play for a spot in the administration (Veep, Attorney General, Secretary of Whatever, etc).

The more interesting bit to me now is the GOP side.  My thinking is thus:  If McCain does not win the nomination, the Republicans lose the White House.  He'll probably win tonight, but if Romney somehow pulls it out, it's difficult to see where McCain goes.  In my view, he's their only semi-credible candidate, being able to play against Obama on experience.  Romney's trying to play the "change" card, but he lacks any credibility.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 08:11:13 AM EST
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Do you seriously think McCain is competitive in the Presidential ? If this is an election to move into the 21st century then McCain is back to Goldwater '64. Maybe even Nixon '60.

This is a man wreathed in the garlands of past failed ideas, there is nothing of the future about him. Even his website smells of mildew.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 11:22:06 AM EST
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All good points.  But I'm not sure about them, honestly.  Part of the reason I'm not sure comes from the fact that, as you know, the press has produced this huge image of McCain as some kind of maverick.  We all know that's not the case, that he's really a hard core militarist, but his base has always been the press, not the Republicans.  Needless to say, that's a powerful ally.

McCain can run on experience against Edwards and Obama.  I don't think it'd be enough to win the day, because I lean towards the belief that he's ultimately doomed by the war.

Your Nixon comparison is one I've thought of.  McCain would look old and tired next to either E or O, and it likely becomes a Kennedy-Nixon thing, but I'm just hesitant to count him out because of the cult built around him by the media.

Certainly against Clinton, I'd worry it would completely ruin us.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 11:46:56 AM EST
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Good job it won't be Clinton then.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:59:34 PM EST
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Well, to her credit, she does poll pretty well in some key states.  In some polls, better than both Edwards and Obama.  But given the cult around McCain the Maverick(TM) and Hillary the Great Divider(TM), I think we'd run the risk of losing the independents -- not because of a love for McCain, necessarily, but because we'd be fighting to stop McCain from raising her negatives to the point that independents don't show up as we need them to.

I think I'd still bet on Hillary, but I'd worry.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 01:40:42 PM EST
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I agree with most of what you say, but I do believe that you underestimate the ability of the American public to be snookered by the myth of Reaganism once again. McCain is attempting it and I suggest that it could work. Democrats are already dreading the idea of running against McCain.

by shergald on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 at 08:45:38 AM EST
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