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Could someone explain the word "workfare"?

I want to force people on capital gains income to work. The lazy bunch, living off our work!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 08:32:10 AM EST
Workfare is the idea of making benefits conditional on people taking crap jobs, supposedly to help people become less dependent on benefits.

In the US it's called Welfare to Work. There is a critique of it in Bowling for Columbine.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 08:42:19 AM EST
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Ah, so

Work + Welfare -> Workfare

<slaps forehead>

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 08:46:44 AM EST
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A better answer than mine.  I tried to find a useful link but didn't come across a good one.

Although wiki has a broader overview of welfare reform.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 08:48:20 AM EST
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Workfare was the name of the scheme set up in the States under Clinton to get people off benefits and back to work.  

I'm sure Helen would point out that this is a wonderful example of the UK copying America's policies even where they have been proven to fail, instead of looking a little closer to home at more successful interventions elsewhere in Europe.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 08:45:39 AM EST
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I'm sure Helen would point out that this is a wonderful example of the UK copying America's policies even where they have been proven to fail, instead of looking a little closer to home at more successful interventions elsewhere in Europe.

I would have, but you beat me to it. Still, I wish our political establishment would try to surprise me occasioanlly by not pulling something so obviously daft out of the hat. But, it's punitive, it's american, it's counter-productive and it's failed again and again. What's not to like ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 10:38:13 AM EST
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Is it just that? Isn't it a lot to do with with the fact that the moral high ground the Tories take is that these people on the dole are scabbing off those of us who work and pay our taxes?

Isn't the moral route the one that makes these scroungers work for their pitiful benefits?  Like all the rest of us have to work to earn a living, why should they get to sit about enjoying a life of luxury and leisure at home?  

Screw the fact that the evidence shows no benefit, the point is that the scum of society is being put in their place and forced to work so the tories can strut about feeling pleased with themselves for turning around the rot that Noo Labour let set in.

The assumption is that these unemployed people have some weakness in character in that they allow themselves to be time and money wasters.  So make the bastards work for their pennies.  No Tory would ever be out of work, surely. They're much better than that.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 11:13:43 AM EST
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But, it's punitive, it's american, it's counter-productive and it's failed again and again. What's not to like ?
Isn't it a lot to do with with the fact that the moral high ground the Tories take is that these people on the dole are scabbing off those of us who work and pay our taxes?

I think that's the same phenomenon expressed two different ways. However, you do introduce the idea that nobody has made the social case for taxes to pay for collective provision in an awful long time.

eg, it costs £8/day to send a child to school, but it costs £40/day to keep somebody in prison. so wouldn't it make sense to spend a lot more on educating children (and feeding those in low paid families with good food) properly, than in allowing the worst 10 or 20 % to drift into low grade crime and the penal retribution system for much of their life. I'm not saying that will cure all ills, but there are so many kids who can't even read at the age of 15 these days. I doubt many of them are intellectually incapable of reading, the system failed them. Never gave them a chance.

Taxes can be justified, the difficulty is finding a politician honest enough to do it fiercely enough.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 11:40:13 AM EST
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Yes, but if you did that you wouldn't get the warm glow of self-righteous satisfaction from knowing that there's someone behind bars who's a loser and you're better than they are.

Considering the huge amount of twisted happy these proposals will spread around the Tory faithful, they're a bit of a bargain in financial terms.

Sanity? In the UK? From the Tories? The party of perverts, prudes, pundits and the petulantly entitled?

It's like expecting Huckabee to start making sense.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:07:36 PM EST
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Helen:
I would have, but you beat me to it. Still, I wish our political establishment would try to surprise me occasioanlly by not pulling something so obviously daft out of the hat. But, it's punitive, it's american, it's counter-productive and it's failed again and again. What's not to like ?

Welcome to the last twenty five years of UK policy.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:03:11 PM EST
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I want to force people on capital gains income to work. The lazy bunch, living off our work!

And while we're at it, can the criticism of education as not being what companies require, from now on be limited to representatives of companies that actually pay the full amount of tax, and arent trying some tax avoidance methods.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2008 at 08:52:49 AM EST
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