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On the surface, one can make a pretty plausible case that the fundamentalist's beliefs make them easily manipulated-- useful tools for those who are prone to such games, and good at them. So from this point of view, attacking their beliefs is, if done effectively, a useful thing in itself, and far more than preaching to the already convinced. Not for the purpose of de-converting the fundamentalists, but to illuminate and educate. He does this well, I think.
But on a deeper level, research by a lot of people like Bob Altemeyer

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/%7Ealtemey/

strongly suggests that there are more fundamental processes at work, processes that transcend "belief", and that the breakdown in the ability to rationally evaluate evidence and construct a personal world based on it seems typical of the authoritarian personality and plays a big role. Brains that are ---well, broken in this way-- are drawn to fundamentalisms of many sorts. It seems they cannot be dissuaded by reason from  these loyalties.

Finally, Lots of us godless atheist devils enjoy a well reasoned and well written bit of work that says what we might---if we had the time and talent.

Thanks, Ted.

 

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by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 04:46:38 AM EST
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Yes, exactly. No one is going to stop people drifting into authoritarianism by attacking their beliefs. That's because the beliefs are tangential, not the direct cause of their authoritarianism.

The real cause is abusive psychology and stressful depersonalising relationships, and the way they bond with them and come to see them as normal and necessary, while outsiders are seen as evil.

Arguing that they should stop believing in god and start believing in science and evolution instead doesn't connect with their experience in any way.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 05:25:51 AM EST
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How many times does one have to repeat the rather obvious and clearly stated in my diary to you - he's NOT primarily concerned with changing the minds of religious extremists - if that happens with some that's a bonus. Try reading and paying attention to what's said - he's interested in providing food for thought for the people who haven't given religion much thought and are only nominally Christians, and for Christians with doubts, but very importantly he's concerned with providing support for atheists particularly in the US. It's not very difficult to understand, give it a try.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 04:53:19 PM EST
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