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The market as a whole has recovered c. 9% of the 13% in lost on Friday.  I don't know where the €10B figure comes from.  The deposits as a whole subject to guarantee are worth c. €400B - .,e. a multiple of Ireland's GDP - so I am not even clear how credible the guarantee is.   The Government claims it will charge the Banks "a commercial rate" for the deposit insurance it is providing, but precisely how that will work, no one seems to know.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:46:08 AM EST
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The Government claims it will charge the Banks "a commercial rate" for the deposit insurance it is providing, but precisely how that will work, no one seems to know.

CDS Spreads?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:48:37 AM EST
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How reliable are they as a pricing mechanism? Aren't they part of a market that has clearly failed?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:51:00 AM EST
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They're not reliable anymore.

This market is broken, with only near-bankrupt firms selling protection (backed by over-collateralization from their remaining assets, performing or not), to other near-bankrupt firms seeking regulatory arbitrage (protect your risk-weighted assets from a downgrade of your asset, by having it protected by someone who, you hope, will be downgraded only somewhat later).

But still, distressed banks including my own have spreads, for what they're worth, of a few % of protected amount. This spread is a fee that the buyer of protection has to pay each year. Hence a "market" price of 10 B€/year. Over 5% of Irish GDP, which is now closer to 200 B€ actually according to Wikipedia.

Pierre

by Pierre on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:10:16 PM EST
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They're a proxy for default probability - given the experience of the past 14 months, that's a part of the market I don't see as obviously failed.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 12:11:20 PM EST
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I'm guessing the commercial rate is whatever the lowest rate the the EU competition authorities will allow them to get away with is.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:50:09 AM EST
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Banks gain on guarantee and hopes of US deal - The Irish Times - Wed, Oct 01, 2008

Although the gains and volumes were not as high as yesterday, Irish banks stocks enjoyed strong gains by mid-afternoon with Anglo Irish Bank adding 16.7 per cent to €4.48, bringing its shares back to levels held on September 22nd.

Irish Life and Permanent was also higher, adding 72 cents to €5.35, a rise of 15.8 per cent. Bank of Ireland added 52 cents to €4.47, a rise of 13 per cent while AIB added 25 cents to €6.15, a rise of 4.2 per cent.



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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:51:21 AM EST
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