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Of course, you are correct. Actual expulsion by decree didn't occur until after the rebellion was put down. I should stop getting my history from popular movies...and hoping for more of the same.

I can't imagine though that it was nice being a moor anytime after 1450, as many cities which had been strongholds had succumbed in the previous 100 years, and the Catholics had this thing about getting people to convert or die without the loving embrace of their savior. So, while there was a treaty after Granada fell, it was never kept to by F&I. If what F&I were made to agree to in the treaty is an indicator, the Moors must have had a hard time before.


Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 09:16:55 AM EST
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Are you talking about the revolt of 1499 or that of around 1570? The expulsion didn't take pace until 1615.

There was no advance of the reconquista for about 200 years (it was all bot over after the 1212 batte of Las Navas de Tolosa, the following 40 years or so were a slow mopping up leading to a vassal kingdom of Granada which lasted 200 years), not "100 years before 1450" and there really is no reason to believe that the Muslims or Jews had a particularly hard time until about 1500 - consider that the Castille was immersed in dynastic disputes for the better part of the 15th century. Religious purity only came on the agenda when the more important stuff had been dealt with.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 09:34:02 AM EST
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Hm. "Until about 1500" is true for Granada. Torquemada was active elsewhere earlier.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 10:05:00 AM EST
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Yes, but his main interest appears to have been heretics and false converts, not Jews or Muslims. The main instigator of the expulsion of the Jews and the forcible conversion of the Moriscos was Cardinal Cisneros.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 10:11:54 AM EST
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Well, siegestate wrote about it not being nice to be a moor anytime after 1450, but qualified it with "the Catholic thing of forced conversions", which indeed came later. But without that qualification, I think he would be right, read e.g. this.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 10:33:09 AM EST
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Again, I admit to only a handful of actual facts that I must merge with many hundreds of years of actual history, and appreciate your showing where to look for more data.

I just finished "The Spanish Armada" by Martin and Parker and was going to reach for something 100 years earlier...maybe I'll go earlier than that.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 03:15:31 PM EST
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