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TGV on flatland is
very
roughly 10 million euros per km. Might be twice as much now that we've had raw material and construction booms, but that'll change with the recession. Which makes this an excellent contracyclical stimulus. Better have all those people laying rails than being unemployed.
Peak oil is
not
an energy crisis. It is a
liquid fuel
crisis.
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Dodo, where are you when we need your expertise?
For the US, it's a keynsian stimulus that would be less difficult politically to implement than health care creation (only a few thousand truckers would be immediately impacted, and the auto/truck guys could build TGVs under license (after a startup period)--might even impact dying Detroit in a positive way.
Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
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geezer in Paris
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risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr
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Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 03:25:48 PM EST
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Lemme give a
very
rough, but differentiated estimate:
Branchlines: renew/rebuild 140,000 km @ $1.4 million/km = $200 billion
Suburban railroads/rapid transit: build/rebuild 70 networks (all urban areas > 500,000) of an average 200 km (sum: 14,000 km) @ $14 million/km = $200 billion
Mainlines: renew 100,000 km @ $5 million/km = $500 billion
High-speed lines: new construction of 20,000 km @20 million/km = $400 billion
In addition,
Light rail: build/rebuild 150 networks (all urban areas > 200,000) of an average 50 km (sum: 7,500 km) @ $26.7 million/km = $200 billion
Subway/metro: build/renew 70 networks (all urban areas > 500,000) of an average 50 km (sum: 3,500 km) @ $282 million/km = $1 trillion
Altogether $2.5 trillion. Could be significantly less if projects are well-managed (taking lessons from Spain), much more if incompetently and in a very corrupt way. That's a helluva' lot of money, then again, it would not have to be spent in a single year. Compare say an annual $250 billion (assuming a ten-year crash programme) to the annual $600 billion for the military and the one-off $700 billion for bank rescue.
*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
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DoDo
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Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 07:32:47 AM EST
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Is this for electrified?
You can't be me, I'm taken
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Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 07:46:20 AM EST
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With the exception of branchlines, it was meant to be. But be aware that virtually all six of the per kilometre costs I gave could be both a fifth and five times of what I wrote.
*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
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Thanks, Dodo. Helps.
And -yes, those are valid references, but they produce little long-term benefit--certainly no revenue-- unless by some miracle the shitpile suddenly turns into treasure.
Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
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