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They don't need encouragement.  Better to put it on the air and destroy McCain for allowing it -- even assisting it -- to get so out of control.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 01:42:07 PM EST
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Seems to be my day to quote Krugman all day.

Paul Krugman - Op-Ed Columnist - New York Times Blog

The crisis isn't the only scary thing going on. Something very ugly is taking shape on the political scene: as McCain's chances fade, the crowds at his rallies are, by all accounts, increasingly gripped by insane rage.

We've seen this before.

...

What it came down to was that a significant fraction of the American population, backed by a lot of money and political influence, simply does not consider government by liberals (even very moderate liberals) legitimate. Ronald Reagan was supposed to have settled that once and for all.

What happens when Obama is elected? It will be even worse than it was in the Clinton years. For sure there will be crazy accusations, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some violence.

The next few years are going to be very, very tough.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 03:24:06 PM EST
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(See my comment below in answer to MarketTrustee, too.)

The Right Wing Hate Groups are seeing their numbers and influence dwindle at the same time their economic situation is deteriorating.  Iraq is teaching a generation war is the normal activity of life -- just like the Black & Tans in Ireland and the Free Corps in the Baltic after World War One.  When these two groups unite, it's going to get ugly.

by ATinNM on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 03:31:26 PM EST
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Yes. And, so what? US liberals lived in the same country with these madmen, they should know them, they should have expected such post-election behaviour at the very start of the campaign already -- they should be prepared, not scared.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:35:16 PM EST
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By prepared, I don't mean nice words about Change, peace and tolerance, but an intent and plan to dismantle the right-wing hate machine.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:37:37 PM EST
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There isn't any organized Left in the US.  The Democratic Party is as good as it gets.  
by ATinNM on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 08:23:07 PM EST
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dodo
US liberals lived in the same country with these madmen, they should know them, they should have expected such post-election behaviour at the very start of the campaign already -- they should be prepared, not scared.

ATinNM
There isn't any organized Left in the US.
Then the Obama Administration will have to do.  Any post election violence better get both Obama and Biden if any RW plotters are to succeed.  Violence that failed to achieve that result could be a gift, like McVie and Oklahoma City under Clinton.  A good 70% of the country will be appalled.  The full might and power of the state, including the augmented powers obtained by B 43, should be brought to bear against anyone associated in any way with such an act.  Deprive them of liberty and property while simultaneously pointing out those things that are being done that are only possible because of the additional accretion of power to the government under B 43.

They should be very careful to proceed against the core group according to law and statute effective prior to B 43 and then use this as an object lesson why it is extremely unwise to leave such power in the hands of government.  Then push a constitutional amendment through Congress and the state legislatures that re-balances the liberties of the people vs. the powers of the government.  

Such a "teaching moment" could greatly enhance the authority and stature of Obama and restore the intended balance of power in the Constitution to our Government. With convictions in hand, clemency and or commutations of sentence could be considered on an individual basis.  Magnanimity in such a victory would cement Obama's authority and further empower him to make other needed changes.  In such a fashion we might regain a credible left in the USA.  Just call it the new center.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 09:41:54 PM EST
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Agree with you; but I'd rather do without the 168 men, women and small children who died under the rubble of theAlfred P. Murrah Federal Building or the people who died in Atlanta, or the postal workers (mostly African-Americans) who died of anthrax.

I'll be convinced when I see at least as much resources put on domestic terrorism as on the Middle-Eastern variety (not that I'm holding my breath).

Oh, and also look at the financial circuit: the money has to come from somewhere. States who are serious against organized crime do just that: they follow the money and go to the throat.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 06:10:27 AM EST
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If it only got one of them, it wouldn't be a gift.  I don't want to see people get killed for their political leanings -- yes, even Bush and his lot who I so despise.  This country has an awful history of political violence, and we need to not revisit that in the modern day.  Obama getting killed would, in many ways, set this country back decades, socially.

Fortunately, like I said, I don't think Obama's going to get killed.  Most of the crazies are either going to turn their sights on each other after the election or see that Obama, as president, is not some kind of scary Manchurian candidate.  Plus, most of the assassinations in the 20th Century we're familiar with happened to people who didn't have Secret Service protection.  JFK did, but he was also killed while riding in a convertible out in the open in Dallas with plenty of places for a shooter to hide.

If he'd had proper protection, RFK would not likely have been killed that night in Los Angeles.  It was because of his assassination that the Secret Service was authorized to protect presidential candidates before they became nominees or presidents.

Reagan was nearly killed, but at the same time his would-be assassin would probably never have gotten that close in 2008, since presidents generally only get that close to the public under tightly-controlled circumstances these days.

And I certainly don't think Biden's going to get killed.  Nobody really hates him.  Even the wingers respect Biden as being a legitimate adversary, probably because such a large chunk of the country -- definitely anyone who is a political junkie -- has known Biden forever.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 10:39:48 AM EST
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I too would prefer that we take our chances on the pace of reform, if any, than that progress be purchased with human lives sacrificed to political violence.  Collectively, we have quite enough blood on our hands already.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 04:29:33 PM EST
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It's the Republicans who are scared.  They've slipped from roughly a tie to being down 8-10 points in the presidential.  They're slipping in every Senate race (we could win up to 12 if things got really fun).  They're on the verge of coughing up another 30-40 House seats, which would be crushing.

Three weeks ago, they thought they were going to win.  Now, suddenly, they're getting beat like a rented mule.  The worse the beating, the more they'll lash out.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:39:48 PM EST
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Not afraid of those Repub/conservative pussies.

Guns?  Bah.  Piss off a talented chemist/biochemist ... see what you get!

Fuck em!

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:56:55 PM EST
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That's okay.  Caribou Barbie's going to be dropping the puck at a Philadelphia Flyers game apparently.

These are the fans who booed and threw shit at Santa Claus.  It could be truly awesome.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 05:49:57 PM EST
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Sounds interesting. Please, keep us posted.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sat Oct 11th, 2008 at 06:11:53 AM EST
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