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Let's reprise this. Say, saving GM and Chrysler, plus suppliers, would mean a government takeover coupled to an investment of $200 billion. As a ballpark figure.

Would you rather spend that amount of time, planning and money on an industry that is highly labour-extensive, produces large negative externalities and has a questionable future, or would you spend it on something else?

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 09:14:28 AM EST
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The only reasons for saving GM and Chrysler are symbolic and political. Those aren't necessarily bad reasons, but nationalisation should mean a change of management culture towards green goals rather than propping up dinosaur-age conspicuous consumption.

As green proponents in charge of crush-and-swap schemes, or working in a combined way with new emissions and energy efficiency standards, GM, Chrysler and Ford could become a useful asset rather than another drain on resources.

In terms of the wider economy, they're collateral damage. A bolder move would be to nationalise big oil. They've worked so hard to own the government, the government should repay the favour. When Exxon's profits are $40bn, managed at the same time that pump prices have been the highest in living memory, there's plenty of room there for more efficient government management of the energy economy with some aggressive intervention.

Nationalising big oil would also remove one of the biggest funding and lobbying blocks against sane transport and energy policies.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 09:47:39 AM EST
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If you nationalise industries you do not necessarily lessen their lobbying power.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 10:00:32 AM EST
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No, but it becomes much easier to push them in a useful direction.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 10:18:43 AM EST
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If you keep them nationalised, they become harder to change, more ossified, I think. It's often easier to provide market regulation than to change nationalised industries. But if you nationalise the industries in order to turn them around and have a clear exit strategy, it is easier.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 10:26:10 AM EST
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Do you think that US National Oil Co would have an easier time getting access to oil fields in Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Angola or Bolivia than ExxonMobil?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 12:19:48 PM EST
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