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So, do you think a revolution is immediate and THE Twank is a revolutionary? I think he is trolling.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 12:36:38 PM EST
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The sig line is unfortunate, but we are certainly entering into interesting times.

I noticed yesterday that some international trade is stalling due to a disbelief in the credit notes being offered. You don't have to have much imagination to see what will happen if wheat harvests aren't distributed and the canadian harvest has been an early casualty.

Oil may have fallen in price, but the US demand hasn't let up and the dollar is falling steadily. Even $90/bl is too steep for many in a developing recession. In europe, things will happen more slwly cos the governments tend towards interventionist, but I'm not sure they will cope with the cascade of issues that are developing.

Because it's not just the economic crisis. It's not just globalisation. In two years as we come out of the El Nina and solar minimum we are back to global warming with a vengeance and greenland is in trouble now.

Much of southern europe has water issues, as does the US SW.  London and the South East, where half of the UK population lives, is one bad summer away from deep undo-able shit cos the aquifers have no resilience left.

And if food starts going, then yea. REvolution. Not now, not this year or next probably. But if you keep shocking people with the extent of the elites inability to keep to the deal (see above) through incompetence and greed, then all bets are off.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 01:11:54 PM EST
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What will the wave of anger against elites you are telling us about have to do with anything progressive? It will just usher in fascism. Some revolution.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 01:29:16 PM EST
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I never made a value judgement on the end result, I just said that either the elites would moderate their greed or there will, within a few years, be outbreaks of civil disorder that may become difficult to control.

I agree that it will tend towards a form of authoritarian fascism in some areas, US & UK most likely. E Europe quite likely.

But as I don't believe in the possibility of egalitarian Revolution, authoitarianism is the only one on the table. You get egalitarianism through democratic evolution, but we kinda blew that 50 years back when we got smug and decided to ossify our politics in search of monsters under the bed.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 01:39:02 PM EST
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I never made a value judgement on the end result, I just said that either the elites would moderate their greed or there will, within a few years, be outbreaks of civil disorder that may become difficult to control.

?

This sounds like a judgment to me:

Would I condemn the tumbrils in such circumstances ? Rough justice is sometimes better than none when the scales move too far.



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 05:01:03 AM EST
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Ah, for so long your wilful circularity has been absent. I see you bring it back to us finely tuned and honed.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 05:37:23 AM EST
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Where is the "wilful circularity"?

First you deny what you clearly said, then you refuse to acknowledge it when it's pointed out. Maybe you should have taken the opportunity to "finely tune and hone" your text :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 06:18:32 AM EST
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You have been greatly missed.  :-)
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 04:15:33 PM EST
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There!  Is the sig line acceptable now?  Everybody feel better now?  Violence!  Ooooooh, horrors!

Now where's the fun in that! - Megatron
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:06:27 PM EST
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There's no need to get angry over it, but I'm with others on speaking of death for Republicans being offensive.  We're not wingers.  They're the death-cult members and the ones who shout threats at others.  I'm happy to meet the ugly wingers halfway on nastiness, but we're above threats of violence, Twank.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 03:29:23 PM EST
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Message received.

Now where's the fun in that! - Megatron
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 06:27:44 PM EST
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I suspect that the man may have misspelled his name.  The first three letters are spot on, but the t seems to be missing.  Maybe he's just got a Begbie mentality.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 01:28:35 PM EST
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The member has a name and you can address him directly.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:32:02 PM EST
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I don't feed trolls.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:41:59 PM EST
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Offensive though his signature was, Twank is not a troll.  You don't know what you're talking about.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 03:30:34 PM EST
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And you are ignoring the obvious.

Trolling is a matter of what you do, not who you are.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 03:42:04 PM EST
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the twank has been a member of this community for a while now, though you may disagree with him as some other do, please stay polite.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 03:59:46 PM EST
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Fran,

perhaps you should ask the same of him.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 04:35:53 PM EST
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I have done that before - but today he was asked by Jérôme to change his signature and he done so. So I do not quite understand what you are after. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 04:40:29 PM EST
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I'm a little irritated Fran.

Because I don't like the Twank has a habit of shutting down conversation and generally being needlessly provocative, it simply isn't constructive.  

We've had a level of discourse at ET that has avoided the pissing matches that come when you have agent prevocateurs and egoists thrown into the mix.

I hate filler, and I generally don't write unless I have something to say.  Hence, why sometimes I disappear for extended stretches.

That, I think, has been true of most here.

As a consequence, the signal to noise ratio has been high.  

I fear that may change. Hence, I am frustrated.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 04:47:08 PM EST
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This is an OT, many things are acceptable and welcome, and there is no single definition for signal/noise.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 07:25:11 PM EST
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I'm ignoring no such thing.  Trolling is behavior that works against the goals of the community.  Twank comes around and generally behaves well from what I've seen, with the exception of the sig issue, so why the childish need for name-calling?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 06:36:15 PM EST
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