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Principe de Asturias (13,400t)


Giuseppe Garibaldi (13,850t)

Cavour

... so there's three EU Sea Control Ships, even after the Invincible class UK light carriers are decommissioned.

You need planes to patrol a sea lane over the horizon, you need helicopters for anti-piracy in sea-lanes, you need them to be on ships if there is not going to be a arm-twisted-behind-back-friendly-base onshore, if you are going to send helicopters up you need to be able to provide them with air cover.

On an EU basis, all up, three mean that you can have two task forces at two hot spots and still have a reserve.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 08:08:52 PM EST
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I'd say three vessels is enough to provide for one taskforce - one vessel on station, one prepping to go and one refitting.

You could run two simultaneous taskforces as an emergency measure, but it wouldn't be sustainable in the long term.

Regards
Luke

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by silburnl on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:13:31 AM EST
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Many of the non-aggressive missions are not long term sustained missions, but there could well be some, especially if there are more failed states in the vicinity of important sea-lanes, which the climate crisis makes likely.

In which case, four would be needed to support one extended mission and one on call, or for classical escort missions ... which the five spread across the EU at the moment would cover. After 2015, there would be the three light carriers for one extended mission and the amphibious assault vessels on call, acting a classical escorts, or other short-term tasks.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:53:00 AM EST
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Why do you need task forces for escort missions?

I mean, if the objective is to get a convoy from point A to point B without having it attacked by guys in rubber dinghys armed with rusty kalashnikovs... won't one to three perfectly ordinary non-aircraft-equipped ships suffice?

It's not like we'll be having running battles with pirates equipped with American destroyers or privateers in Chinese light cruisers... Not unless things get rather a lot nastier than they are now.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 07:15:31 AM EST
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... to get much nastier than they are now, when US naval power projection begins to collapse, but not that the reaction to that should be to arm to the teeth and be ready to go out looking for trouble.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 03:26:54 PM EST
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Who is it that the UK and Spain intend to invade?

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:54:14 AM EST
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In a previous discussion with JakeS off-site I argued that if the international community wanted to get serious about things, we already have enough carrier groups to do anti-piracy in a lot of different points simultaneously. The US has something like 6 carrier groups, the EU has about 4, Russia has a bunch too... and a single carrier group could take care of, say piracy around Somalia.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 07:46:24 AM EST
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