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Thankyou.

But then the first question is, to my mind:

Who has a surplus now?

Because the lesson of the book I mentioned is that it's not just about the moments of weakness an empire undergoes, but who is having a moment of strength at the same time.

And I think that matters for your question, because what it means to manage the collapse of an Empire depends a lot on what is replacing it...

Obvious issues:

1) Resource wars. Europe largely has enough water. Does it have the foresight to develop an energy infrastructure which reduces the need for protecting an extended supply chain? I hope so, but I'm not sure...

But there are still issues. The totem resource of high tech leading to exploitation and resource conflicts would be Coltan. So will the EU need to project force into Africa? And what will that mean?

Personally I think that's possibly the biggest moral challenge in forecasting EU force projection, as it's classical empire exploitation stuff, mixed in with competition with other empires (China?)

  1. The other big moral challenge is if global warming really devastates Northern Africa, there could be mass migrations towards Southern Europe.

  2. Less contentiously... whilst the base-network clearly has a lot of exploitative aspects, it does also tend to stabilise trade to some degree. Anti-piracy... but not just at sea... anti-banditry to some degree too. Also there are still balance of power stability points... I really wouldn't like the South Korea bases to disappear before some kind of stable situation is sorted out with North Korea.

Importantly as well, I think you could put an EU base in Oman to replace the US base and look after the oil shipping and relatively it wouldn't be a big thing geopolitcally. Especially if it comes as part of an increased effort to deal with East African pirates.

However, I'm not sure you can replace historical US bases in places like S. Korea (even if the need is there) without a whole round of negotiations with the regional power (China in this case.)

So I guess the conclusion is that the EU needs to get it's diplomatic ass in gear and start solving some world-wide problems as soon as possible, or things could get very turbulent in places as US bases roll back.

4) You've mentioned peace keeping as an issue and problems will remain there, but I think that it won't be worse than it is now. (i.e. Peacekeeping is largely a failing enterprise at the minute... and it won't improve until the consensus for it at the UN improves.) What may need expanding is the natural disaster response capacity, particularly if global warming is going to make for "freakier" weather.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 06:01:17 PM EST
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Clearly, Europe has access to much greater sustainable biocapacity if it can harness sustainable energy resources in North Africa (in return for services and manufactured goods). On the upside, this would increase the capacity of North African nations to cope with the climate crisis. On the downside, it may well increase the exposure of Europe to the climate crisis in North Africa, as well as in Europe. On the upside, as you suggest it may be massively exposed to the climate crisis in North Africa in any event, and having a clear natural resource stake in North Africa might lead to it being more pro-active in helping North African nations cope.

Obviously, the powder keg at the pivot of Western and Central Africa is Nigeria. And wrt Nigeria, I have no clue. I am not an optimist with respect to the Democratic Republic of Congo, but with the DRC I can at least see a way that could be charted back to being a developing nation-state once again ... and with it, obviously, would come greater stability to all of Southern Africa.

But Nigeria, there I'm completely stumped.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 06:18:59 PM EST
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Ach... Nigeria is a subject for a diary... or a whole series of diaries... but step one IMO is largely "stop depending on pumping oil." Whilst the oil imperative is there, it's basically a colonial situation laid on top of all the other problems. I don't see a way forward without removing that colonial impetus.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 07:28:03 PM EST
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But remove that impetus ... where the locus of colonial control moves from an external metropole to a local elite acting as an internal metropole backed up by resources generated from external payments for the natural resource ... and I have no idea whether Nigeria holds together as a state.

In the DRC, there is the East/West divide, but none of the distinct ethnic groups are a large enough share of the total population to provide the "Big Ethnic Bloc" fights that arise in Nigeria.

Perhaps there is a form of Federalism that can work in Nigeria once the income generated by crude oil wanes, but global Peak Oil will be working to expand crude oil revenues even after oil production volumes peak and then decline.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 08:46:09 PM EST
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