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what happens to Palin ? Is there a significant likelihood of public revulsion at the activities her national exposure has revealed leading to her losing office ? Or is a case of Alaska is always gonna vote for a bonehead like her come what may, so they may as well keep the bonehead they know ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 11:58:39 AM EST
I assume there will at least be a faction in the republicans who see her as the once and future queen and will not accept anything less. so she has the potential to become the kingmaker of republican politics.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 12:04:08 PM EST
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Assuming Obama wins, she'll probably run in 2012.  And she'll probably lose badly in the primaries.  The Reps will tear her apart.  The one fortunate thing for her is that she won't have to compete with anyone capable of witty remarks, since Rudy -- the only one capable of such remarks -- isn't likely to run again.  The worst for her to fear would be Huckabee, who's funnier, more folksy and more beloved by the Christian Right (her natural constituency).

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 12:37:37 PM EST
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By 2012 the only people left registered as republican will be the base, and they are all Palinacs. So, if she is in a position to run, I'm not convinced she'll get creamed in the primaries.

I'm not sure Huckabee plays outside the south. But you're right that he's the only likely competitor.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 12:49:01 PM EST
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I'm honestly not convinced Huckabee wants to run again.  I think he had a good time, especially once he knew he was going to lose.  Now he's a commentator and making some good money.  I think he may be happy with that.

Huckabee can't play outside of rural areas.  It's not just the South.  But a grip on the rural areas is powerful within the GOP.

Palin is going to get part of the blame for McCain's loss if Obama wins.  She's going to be ridiculed by the competition.  And she's not likely to handle it well.  As you know, she's kind of an idiot.  She came off as doing pretty well in the Veep debate, but that was only because she had index cards to read from.  Take the index cards away, and what have you got?  My guess is you're back to Palin the Idiot in that case.

A lot will depend on the state of the country.  If the economy turns around by 2012 (and I think it will by then, although 2010 midterms could be a little rough) -- again, assuming for simplicity's sake that Obama wins -- it'll probably be an election much like 1984 -- meaning the Reps will run some "electable" loser whose "turn" has arrived, and who'll get his ass kicked in every critical state.

A win for Obama also means he has four years to keep building his ground game for the general instead of just 6-11 months like he had this year.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 12:58:09 PM EST
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Obama has built the largest political organization in US history.  It is amazingly self-funded.  This organization parallels the Democratic and Republican Party.

There are now three political parties in the US: Dem's, GOP's, and Obama's.

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 01:08:23 PM EST
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There's really not much ground game held by the GOP anymore outside of Florida.  They're making the same mistake Democrats made for years -- writing off huge sections of the country and taking others for granted.  That's what happened in NC.  Obama and the DNC fought all year to move it, while the Reps ignored it.  Well -- surprise! -- it moved in a big way finally.  Obama got over the hump.

Will he win there?  I don't know.  I went back and forth on NC all year, never really willing to believe it unless Obama got into the high-40s and at least tied.  Suddenly, Holy Mother of Jesus, the little fucker got to 50.  Now I'm a full believer that it can be done.  And now he's eating them alive on voter registration.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 01:20:46 PM EST
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By 2012 the only people left registered as republican will be the base

That might be < 5%. The other >95% will be registered independent/unaffiliated, of which some portion will express a preference to opinion pollsters for Palin or proto-Palin or other "maverick"/transmorgifying candidate/progressive.

Are you suggesting
1.The Democratic Party will rule forever?

  1. Americans will always wear their hearts on their sleeves?
  2. Sophisticated COINTEL surveillance technologies will obviate professional opinion surveys?


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 04:04:08 PM EST
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How about none of the above. All I did was comment on affiliations by 2012.

single party dominance never lasts. The repugs are in about the same level of pointlessness as the conservatives in the UK in '97. I'd be shocked if the repugs didn't recover their wits faster than the brits.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 05:21:21 PM EST
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How about none of the above.

You refer to options 1, 2, 3? OK. That's hardly an exhaustive list of scenarios. I was kind of hoping, you would develop another along the line of "creative destruction" of the uniparty, implied by the size of independent/unaffiliated and, may I add now, nonparticipating/disaffected voters who refuse to identify with either faction --Republican or Democratic. What change in political sentiment and future partisan organization do these populations represent?

Do you detect any change?

And if "The repugs are in about the same level of pointlessness as the conservatives in the UK in '97" the Democratc and Labour parties are the one party of each state, no? It seems to me that, if "single party dominance never lasts," you expect unaffiliated populations will organize a formal alternative -- an opposition party bearing little or no resemblance to Republican/Tory or neo-con principles of governance?

As the US federal and state legislatures are not parliamentary structures, I would argue that here it will be quite a challenge to escape the paradigm of single party dominance. Media personalities are rather resistant to recognizing multiple parties. I'm sure this has been mentioned in teh blahgs.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 10:19:26 AM EST
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Huckabee/Palin'12: Back to the middle ages!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 10:23:33 AM EST
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If we're not there yet by then...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 11:07:04 AM EST
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Well indeed: considering what part of the Bible evangelicals prefer, it's Back To Antiquity.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 11:27:32 AM EST
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