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but slowly moved to the left edge of the CDU
Geissler himself denies any move in his position - pretty credible. His hard core image was mainly due to his stance in the cold war, especially issues around the RAF (I think it is Bader-Meinhof gang in English, but is the acronym of Red Army Fraction) and nuclear weapons.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 06:52:28 PM EST
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Geißler struck me as "old enough to say what needs to be said, consequences be damned."  There were times when i thought he was lecturing Merz, always with a smile at the corners of his eyes (like he was also relishing his moment in the sun.)  But even Beckmann, hostly duties aside, seemed to question Merz's capitalism.

Would that debates like this occur during the amurkan presidential Wahlkampf.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 07:01:09 PM EST
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Let Ralph Nader and Cyntia McKinney take part in the debate, then yes.

I'm sometimes surprised that the US contains quite a number of her most prominent critics, e.g. Noam Chomsky. It seems just that most media managers are full of fear to risk to invite people, who are far off the main stream. Some of the stronger critics make kind of comedy - like a king's jester, who dares to say, what others aren't allowed to say.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 at 07:28:27 PM EST
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Geissler himself denies any move in his position - pretty credible.

Well, yes, on the issues, it's more that his party moved right on the economy (starting already under Kohl). However, in his Cold Warrior years, he did include leftist intellectuals and even SPD figures in his attacks (presaging the Red Socks campaign) -- while presently, he not only dared to be on the same platform with them, but AFAIK he is an advocate of a pragmatic approach to the Left Party.

RAF (I think it is Bader-Meinhof gang in English

Yes, but I often emphasize that that's a misnomer. The phrase was coined by the Bild tabloid (the German equivalent of the Sun), but Meinhof was only the speaker for the first generation (Baader's girlfriend Ensslin was the real co-leader), and the activity of the Second and Third Generations was much more serious and bloody. However, it was pointed out to me that the real name RAF was probably not used because that acronym is already in use: for the Royal Air Force of the UK.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 05:35:10 AM EST
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the activity of the Second and Third Generations was much more serious and bloody.

Also: by calling Baader & co a gang, Bild also tried to underplay their importance -- but RAF became a 'professional' terrorist organisation with international contacts and a bloody trail, and with this term, English-speakers may not fully contemplate how serious Germany's experience of terrorism was. (At least, the warmongers accusing Europe of cluelessness and cowardice over terrorism displayed such ignorance.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 05:43:32 AM EST
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No, a group, that one can successfully fight more or less within the law, can't be real terrorists. Real terrorists you can only be fought with wars, torture camps, and indefinit detention on the word of the commander in chief. IRA and ETA do not count as well. These organisations have goals. Real terrorists hate us for our freedom.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 06:13:04 AM EST
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