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An added detail: in the first minutes of the third video, moderator Beckmann spares Geißler an embarrassment by cutting short a semantical debate.

After Geißler's lambasting of Neoliberalism and praise for German social market liberalism, Merz reminded people that half a century ago, just the inventors of social market liberalism called themselves "Neoliberal". Curiously, despite his age, Geißler countered in an obvious ignorance of this fact. (He should have known and said that "Neo"-anything descriptors are repeatedly re-used for the newest versions of -anything even if totally unrelated, and semantics won't give current market fundamentalists the right to claim the mantle of the social market liberals.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 06:19:05 PM EST
Again, Danke DoDo, for all the work at translation.  No way is mein Deutsch good enough to have given the detailed flavor of what took place.  Plus there's much political background which is beyond me, and you captured it.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Oct 14th, 2008 at 07:44:57 PM EST
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Thank you, Dodo, for this diary and the expanded version of your exchange with Crazy Horse. Will be interesting to see. if, when and how things will change with this crisis.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 01:33:50 AM EST
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In the diary, I expressed my not too charitable view of moderator Beckstein, e.g. when saying he is (or imagines himself to be) hard-hitting. This was also coloured by his interview with Hessen state SPD leader Andrea Ypsilanti a week earlier. (From what I read of it; now I found the video.) You remember, she is the leftie intent on ending the rule of a CDU strongman by forming a minority government with outside support from the Left Party, breaking a West German taboo.

Beckmann grilled Ypsilanti for minutes about her supposed "lust for power". Even SPIEGEL was displeased with that: they would have liked Beckmann to make her nervous with more substantial questions like conflict issues with the future coalition partner Greens, and the Left Party (which, BTW, happens to be the current focus of her inner-party opposition, too). For, Ypsilanti could deal with the low-brow power-lust attacks by now. (SPIEGEL uses this for a double-edged praise of her professionality, which now makes her just another politician using empty phrases -- then again, methinks SPIEGEL presented real arguments as empty phrases.)

Now, what is going on in Hessen throughout October is that all three parties ask for approval on all levels of the party (factions, special party congress, all party members). Even the top conservative broadsheet, FAZ acknowledges how well she brought even her inner-party enemies under the fold. Amazingly (and this is what makes it topical in this diary), that article also notes and recognises the truth of a line Ypsilanti now uses:

Die Bevölkerung hat mittlerweile weniger Angst vor der Linkspartei als vor den Lehman Brothers oder den unfähigen Bankern.By now, the population is less afraid of the Left Party than of Lehman Brothers or incompetent bankers.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:16:20 AM EST
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moderator Beckstein

!#@!!$!!! Merz has truly infected me... of course Beckmann.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 07:03:25 AM EST
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I always appreciate how you carefully separate the description of the facts, the more general context and your own opinions.

Well done.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:12:43 AM EST
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Thanks; I'm striving to -- except when I call Geißler Kohl's pit bull (©dvx), talk about Wolfgang "Stasi 2.0" Schäuble, or go on about Roland Koch :-) But I hope my biases are obvious enough.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:50:35 AM EST
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