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You are free to use any innate male body part, function, characteristic, or other item and turn it into an insult.  Many  people with a grade school education do, without forming complete sentences, but with all the thousands of excuses so far, the Declaration of Human Rights still stands.

If it applies to both genders and to the whole human race, it won't offend.  If it applies only to a sector, it denotes the typical hatred, ignorance, xenophobia, misogyny, etc.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:11:38 PM EST
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I accept all that, and the need to right past wrongs. But the Declaration of Human Rights ignores one very important tool of cultural exchange -humour.

I'm serious about this ;-)

Cultural collision, and how to deal with it, is an increasingly obsessive element of our W*stern society. And little wonder, after hundreds of years of distortion. But cultural collision imo will not be solved by lexicons, it will be solved by love.

Your cat knows this ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:25:33 PM EST
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I disagree with you - maybe once my generation is gone, it can be considered humor, but for me who has been fighting for equal rights an respect for women it is still insulting - you can call me humorless.

Besides I do not see how the use of 'gutter'-language (don't know if this is the right term) adds to the quality of the discussion here. I do not mind a crass word once in a while, but the use of this kind of language has increased lately, especially in the OT. I do not know if there is a connection, but it also seems that there are less and less women participating in discussions here on ET - this kind of language sure does not sound very inviting, if we want more women to participate.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 16th, 2008 at 12:01:37 AM EST
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Note that gross language in French used to be very sexually centred : "Con" translates to cunt, however it is now only an insult, and the sexual meaning is pretty much lost.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Oct 16th, 2008 at 02:16:59 AM EST
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From my point of view the only sexist commentary I've seen on this site has come from the older men, and there was no foul language involved. Things really are different for my generation, and you don't have to be female to notice the often stark difference between generations.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Oct 16th, 2008 at 03:12:11 AM EST
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I don't mind his usage, but I do like to see "civilized" rhetoric on here. I go to fark.com for my dose of offensive crassness and insanity.

When I was 15 or 16, an English teacher had my class come up with a list of slurs for men and women. She broke us up into groups of four and gave use 10 minutes. Everyone's list had at least five times as many slurs for women as for men.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:27:30 PM EST
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 I agree, that these cultural slurs help to define language interpretations. But we cannot museify language. Putting things in vitrines is sure death. - display cases for future generations to thank the lord that they  are no longer applicable.

For the past 30 years "stay on message' has been the mantra. This ignores the fact that the message is always in flux. Because culture changes -it has to change.

I don't knew that the answer is - except my instinctive answer is that
say whatever you want and take the consequences. That is what the erosion of cultural sensitivities is about.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:57:04 PM EST
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