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by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 01:17:13 PM EST
Whoa, could have warned us about the fact that I might injure myself through giggling

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 01:21:15 PM EST
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Ww really are conditioned to believe the apocalypse begins at midnight if our guy isn't in the white house.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 01:27:25 PM EST
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Oh, the weirdness abounds.  

106-year-old voter chooses Obama

Sister Cecilia Gaudette, who last voted for President Eisenhower in 1952, has registered to vote and says she will vote for Democrat Barack Obama.

Although hard of hearing, she keeps herself informed by reading newspapers and watching TV at the convent.

"I'm encouraged by Senator Obama," she says.

"I've never met him, but he seems to be a good man with a good private life. That's the first thing. Then he must be able to govern," she adds.

Sitting in her modest office in the convent where she has lived for the past 50 years, the diminutive nun appears uninterested in the row inside the American Catholic church over Senator Obama's support for pro-choice policies on abortion.

Asked about her hopes for the US under an Obama presidency, she says: "Peace abroad. I don't worry about the Iraq war because I can't do anything about it. Lord knows how it will end."

"It is very complicated," she said. "Those Eastern people are not like we are."

Alrighty then!

BTW, I very much agree with the dude who can't stand Obama but will vote for him anyway because he wants the government to take over the banks and WallMart.  Pretty much sums up my position. :D

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 01:32:06 PM EST
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http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-36146.html

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 02:59:27 PM EST
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Oh, spasibo!  Perhaps this would have been better placed on the thread about Marxism and ponies, though.  Anyway, such an animal lover.  I assume everyone has seen the following by now, but what the heck, here goes:

Russia's Putin gets tiger cub for his birthday

MOSCOW (AP) -- There's no doubt what Vladimir Putin's favorite birthday present is this year -- a rare Ussuri tiger cub.

State television showed the Russian prime minister tenderly petting the 2-month-old female cub Friday at his residence outside Moscow. The cub, weighing about 20 pounds, was curled up in a wicker basket with a tiger-print cushion.

Putin said a good home will be found for the tiger, presumably in a zoo or wildlife preserve. He hasn't decided what to call her, but is leaning toward Mashenka or Milashka.

Putin refused to say who gave him the cub for his 56th birthday, which was Tuesday.

He called Russian journalists to his country home late Thursday without telling them why. Past midnight, after asking them "not to make noise, make a clatter or squeal," Putin ushered the curious journalists into the room where the tiger cub was waiting.

As president and now prime minister, Putin is known for his tough talk and macho image. But children and animals seem to bring out a softer side.

His dog, a Labrador retriever named Koni, is often with him, even during meetings with world leaders. He told journalists that Koni has not met the tiger cub.

In August, Putin had occasion to pet a full-grown female Ussuri tiger after shooting her with a tranquilizer gun. He was visiting a wildlife preserve in Russia's Far East and shot the 5-year-old tiger as part of a program to track the rare cats, also known as the Siberian, Amur or Manchurian tiger.

Once the tiger was asleep, Putin placed a collar with a GPS tracking system around her neck. Television footage showed him patting her cheek.



"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 03:09:02 PM EST
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LOL, pretty tasteless to have the tiger cub in a tiger-striped basket.


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:48:31 PM EST
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Oh a serious note, I want to tell you that I've had a chance to go back and read your guest review of LeVine's book on FDL.  When you showed me what the book was, I was pretty less than impressed (not helped by the fact that Amazon.com tells me that people who bought it also bought Lucas' New Cold War...)  But you managed to do the review really well!  Seriously.  You can review books!  (I cannot; I envy your little talent.)  And you were very fair and diplomatic about it all.  I totally scoffed at you when you mentioned the gig - I think I owe you an apology.  Nice work.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 03:44:34 PM EST
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Thanks!

Being at the Salon was a mess, as I was attending a formal dinner with my wife for her association, and had to leave before the main course. And I only finished reading the book in the plane the day before, and my first impression was negative (thankfully, I got word from a common friend that DeVine's a good guy).

But the conversation itself in the Salon went well, and was pretty constructive.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:38:35 PM EST
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what she said...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 17th, 2008 at 12:25:55 AM EST
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I'd be totally down with seizing the banks and Wal-Mart and selling them off.  Sell the banks to the Swiss and the Brits for trillions.  Sell equal shares of Wal-Mart to the French and the Russians (Bubbas heads explode nationwide).

Use the money to pay off the national debt.

I'm Drew J Jones, and I approved this message.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:00:45 PM EST
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Trillions? You think we have trillions?

We could give you Essex, I suppose.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 05:14:35 PM EST
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Wiltshire first methinks

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 05:23:48 PM EST
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I know the banks are in deep, but Essex?  Really?  We're not going to pay you to take the banks of our hands.

Yet....

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 05:45:10 PM EST
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damn we were rather hoping to get you to take essex off our hands ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:36:43 PM EST
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Wow. Eight years of crazy indeed.

I'm trying to think up an European parallel to those two loons -- but can't...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 02:47:46 PM EST
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I keep telling ya: Magic Negro.  Nobody listens....

;)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 03:57:57 PM EST
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I really wish you did not feel the need to repeat that.  I fail to see how it is informative or funny.


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:04:52 PM EST
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I really wish you did not feel the need to repeat that.  I fail to see how it is informative or funny.

I disagree, and I think you're taking it far too seriously.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:13:38 PM EST
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I agree with poemless!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:16:49 PM EST
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Okay, fair enough.  I'll not say it.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:18:22 PM EST
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Say it, don't say it, whatever.  My point is not to shut you up.  

Listen: Neither "magic" nor "negro" explain Obama's weird cult of popularity.  They are both made-up ideas, simplistic concepts to explain complicated realities.  I don't mind crass, offensive stuff if it makes you sit up and think (like Bill Hicks or Matt Taibbi.)  But this does just the opposite; it discourages reflection.  Much easier to accept that we're all under some magical charm instead of accepting that maybe we just sleep better with someone who assures us we are good people on a valid mission (America! Democracy! City on a Hill!) even though we currently appear to be destroying everything in our path, including ourselves.  We need to be told we're better than this.  Barack tells us we're better than this.  Much easier to feel good about voting for a black man (see, we're not racist anymore!) than make any personal sacrifices for the underclass who have suffered most because of their perceived race (many of whom we're currently blaming for having the audacity to try to own a home when their employers refuse to pay them enough to afford one thereby causing a complete global financial meltdown).  If Obama can be elected, we don't need to feel so much guilt about those people living in the ghettos.  Nothing magic about it.  He meets our national identity needs and looks fabulous doing it.  

Also, you know that if some old white man got up at a McCain rally and referred to Obama as "the magic negro" we would all be freaking out.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:51:15 PM EST
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First:

Also, you know that if some old white man got up at a McCain rally and referred to Obama as "the magic negro" we would all be freaking out.

The term was popularized by Rush Limbaugh, and I've used it consistently as a means to mocking him and those who think like him.

And I don't disagree with what you wrote.  I've noted elements of it in the past.  But -- and you've done this many times -- you're taking something I've said and warping it into something it most certainly is not.  It's not meant to be informative.  Funny?  Yes.  You don't think it's funny.  Fair enough.  Even if you find it offensive, you could simply say so, and, as I responded to Fran, I would've responded in the same way to you.

You think it's destructive.  Fair enough.  Say so in the original response instead of blowing what I thought was pretty clearly meant as a harmless joke (as in every. other. case.) so out of proportion.  Not everything has to have some great meaning, poemless.  At least not as I see things.  You apparently disagree, and that's your problem, not mine.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:01:25 PM EST
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I was only trying to be constructive and decent.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:44:19 PM EST
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And you're both.  Sorry, I'm just in a bad mood.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:52:14 PM EST
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Also, I apologize if my explanation upset you because that was not my intention.  I was simply explaining why I didn't think the term was useful.  Nothing personal, just an observation of the way we use words and ideas.  And I think that is a completely legitimate, objective, impersonal comment to make here or anywhere.  I write some really offensive stuff.  I am not offended by "Magic Negro."  I just think it's problematic.  Anyone is welcome to critique the things I say.  But it would be best if we could all do that without getting personal.  I don't "have a problem."  I am critiquing language.  We can do that here.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:53:53 PM EST
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Yes....

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 07:00:17 PM EST
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I have to agree with Drew here. He's aware of all the points you're making. He is mocking conservatives and racist whites in general (see Geraldine Ferraro's stunning remarks, quite on par with Limbaugh's stunning racism) by using their own rhetoric to mock them the same way Colbert does. We do it all the time on other topics because it's easier to be cynical than it is to drive our own narratives. For some reason that's off limits when it comes to sensitive topics.

It came up here sometime early in the summer. I posted the youtube video of the Al Sharpton imitator singing "Barack the magic negro..." on Limbaugh's show.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:37:51 PM EST
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And whenever you say this, running through by head is:
Barack, the magic negro lived by the sea...
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:06:08 PM EST
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