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Say it, don't say it, whatever.  My point is not to shut you up.  

Listen: Neither "magic" nor "negro" explain Obama's weird cult of popularity.  They are both made-up ideas, simplistic concepts to explain complicated realities.  I don't mind crass, offensive stuff if it makes you sit up and think (like Bill Hicks or Matt Taibbi.)  But this does just the opposite; it discourages reflection.  Much easier to accept that we're all under some magical charm instead of accepting that maybe we just sleep better with someone who assures us we are good people on a valid mission (America! Democracy! City on a Hill!) even though we currently appear to be destroying everything in our path, including ourselves.  We need to be told we're better than this.  Barack tells us we're better than this.  Much easier to feel good about voting for a black man (see, we're not racist anymore!) than make any personal sacrifices for the underclass who have suffered most because of their perceived race (many of whom we're currently blaming for having the audacity to try to own a home when their employers refuse to pay them enough to afford one thereby causing a complete global financial meltdown).  If Obama can be elected, we don't need to feel so much guilt about those people living in the ghettos.  Nothing magic about it.  He meets our national identity needs and looks fabulous doing it.  

Also, you know that if some old white man got up at a McCain rally and referred to Obama as "the magic negro" we would all be freaking out.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 04:51:15 PM EST
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Also, you know that if some old white man got up at a McCain rally and referred to Obama as "the magic negro" we would all be freaking out.

The term was popularized by Rush Limbaugh, and I've used it consistently as a means to mocking him and those who think like him.

And I don't disagree with what you wrote.  I've noted elements of it in the past.  But -- and you've done this many times -- you're taking something I've said and warping it into something it most certainly is not.  It's not meant to be informative.  Funny?  Yes.  You don't think it's funny.  Fair enough.  Even if you find it offensive, you could simply say so, and, as I responded to Fran, I would've responded in the same way to you.

You think it's destructive.  Fair enough.  Say so in the original response instead of blowing what I thought was pretty clearly meant as a harmless joke (as in every. other. case.) so out of proportion.  Not everything has to have some great meaning, poemless.  At least not as I see things.  You apparently disagree, and that's your problem, not mine.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:01:25 PM EST
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I was only trying to be constructive and decent.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:44:19 PM EST
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And you're both.  Sorry, I'm just in a bad mood.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:52:14 PM EST
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Also, I apologize if my explanation upset you because that was not my intention.  I was simply explaining why I didn't think the term was useful.  Nothing personal, just an observation of the way we use words and ideas.  And I think that is a completely legitimate, objective, impersonal comment to make here or anywhere.  I write some really offensive stuff.  I am not offended by "Magic Negro."  I just think it's problematic.  Anyone is welcome to critique the things I say.  But it would be best if we could all do that without getting personal.  I don't "have a problem."  I am critiquing language.  We can do that here.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:53:53 PM EST
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Yes....

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 07:00:17 PM EST
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I have to agree with Drew here. He's aware of all the points you're making. He is mocking conservatives and racist whites in general (see Geraldine Ferraro's stunning remarks, quite on par with Limbaugh's stunning racism) by using their own rhetoric to mock them the same way Colbert does. We do it all the time on other topics because it's easier to be cynical than it is to drive our own narratives. For some reason that's off limits when it comes to sensitive topics.

It came up here sometime early in the summer. I posted the youtube video of the Al Sharpton imitator singing "Barack the magic negro..." on Limbaugh's show.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Oct 15th, 2008 at 06:37:51 PM EST
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