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No, not really. The most active women on the site all took part in the discussion. You just failed to get any other women to stop lurking. Maybe they didn't come out of lurking because the men jumped in first, but I don't know, they'd have to be the ones to say why.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 18th, 2008 at 09:12:20 AM EST
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You just failed to get any other women to stop lurking.  

It should have been a ´group´ effort and Fran deserves credit for the all the time and effort, yet even regular male posters ´failed´ to join in.  Maybe because it´s Friday.  

Just because people are uncomfortable talking about social skills and want the rest to take behaviorist steps, doesn´t mean the effort isn´t  worth it, or isn´t necessary, or is a failure.  But it is thaat level of discomfort that can keep people away.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Oct 18th, 2008 at 02:16:03 PM EST
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Metavision, you know as well as I do that in English 'to fail to do something' doesn't mean it's a failure, it's just that something didn't happen.

The sentence you quote is in response to Fran's claim that women became quiet at one point which isn't true, it's just that no women other than the usual participants joined the discussion. Regular male posters weren't asked to join in. Fran stated by asking women whose login names are not gendered to come forward.

I didn't say the effort was a failure or not worth it. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I thought I was the one who was uncomfortable talking about social skills and that doesn't keep me away.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 18th, 2008 at 02:22:29 PM EST
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This "regular male poster" has not contributed as Fran posted at the top of the thread [emphasis added]:

Could the women with names with do not obviously indicate their gender come out and declare themselves? it would be interesting to know.

Also if you do not join in regular discussions here, could you tell us why?

By that I assumed Fran was interesting in hearing from women who read, but do not contribute, to ET.  A class to which I am not a member.

I endorse, even applaud, Fran's effort and given the purpose - and problems - I felt the least I could do to 'further the Cause' was to Shut Up.

by ATinNM on Sat Oct 18th, 2008 at 02:39:15 PM EST
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Since you have the power to see such things - are people lurking?  Can you tell that?  Are we assuming something (women lurking) that might not even be correct?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Sat Oct 18th, 2008 at 02:20:21 PM EST
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