I'm not bolshy enough to just wander onto a new site and write whatever I want to write, sod anyone else and whether they want to read it or not. There's always some element of self doubt when one is new to something, especially a social 'network' such as ET. Ad astra per aspera
Since the rigour of the argument types represent a majority here, they vote with their feet when a non-conformist diary comes up. It's a narrowing process. You can't be me, I'm taken
The problem is you like to free associate but to include some general assertions and then get upset if someone questions them. I welcome all kinds of diaries, but if you include some general claims about the world expect to have them challenged - it's part of the fun :-) Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
you are the media you consume.
And if I talk about my experiences, i also mean my experiences with my studends and clients and how shifting thinking can solve problems - nothing metaphysical about it, at least not for me.
That´s a very definitive statement and implies some exclusivity to follow. Do you mean FP´s? Do you mean Fran doesn´t run this site? Is there a test to find the meshing?
While there is a community spirit here, debate and criticism is the primary driver of this site, with support and encouragement coming in second.
That opinion may describe part of the problem, which is not always present, but at times that tone is uninviting. Having all four, and more drivers, would be ideal and may bring all the hundreds of lurkers out of hiding to add the balance we need. Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
That´s a very definitive statement and implies some exclusivity to follow. Do you mean FP´s?
This site was started by Jerome and to a strong degree reflects his worldview. That can change, but even without physical censorship, like minds are attracted to each other which strongly hinders such a shift away from dominant views. Even on a site like dkos which has probably 100x the active users of this site, markos' worldview can be seen in most posts.
That opinion may describe part of the problem, which is not always present, but at times that tone is uninviting. Having all four, and more drivers, would be ideal and may bring all the hundreds of lurkers out of hiding to add the balance we need.
I think you're answering your own question.
You mean yours and Jerome´s minds? Dominant views? I haven´t seen dominant views confirmed, unless you are talking about some very reasonable theories, but I do see bad communication habits repeated and defended.
I didn´t ask a question, I expressed one of many possibilities, but I keep hearing the denial of anything different from ´what is because it is´. Rationale please. Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
BINGO! "Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
And the purpose of my questions tonight was simply to get the women involved and find out how many women are currently participating. :-)
It can also be difficult for a female group leader to keep the men in place, and keep them from taking over - hard work, I can tell you! :-)
I hope we can continue to talk about this off hand and more members take time to comment. Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
It should have been a ´group´ effort and Fran deserves credit for the all the time and effort, yet even regular male posters ´failed´ to join in. Maybe because it´s Friday.
Just because people are uncomfortable talking about social skills and want the rest to take behaviorist steps, doesn´t mean the effort isn´t worth it, or isn´t necessary, or is a failure. But it is thaat level of discomfort that can keep people away. Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
The sentence you quote is in response to Fran's claim that women became quiet at one point which isn't true, it's just that no women other than the usual participants joined the discussion. Regular male posters weren't asked to join in. Fran stated by asking women whose login names are not gendered to come forward.
I didn't say the effort was a failure or not worth it. Stop putting words in my mouth.
I thought I was the one who was uncomfortable talking about social skills and that doesn't keep me away. A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
Could the women with names with do not obviously indicate their gender come out and declare themselves? it would be interesting to know. Also if you do not join in regular discussions here, could you tell us why?
Also if you do not join in regular discussions here, could you tell us why?
By that I assumed Fran was interesting in hearing from women who read, but do not contribute, to ET. A class to which I am not a member.
I endorse, even applaud, Fran's effort and given the purpose - and problems - I felt the least I could do to 'further the Cause' was to Shut Up.
I would like to see more openness toward other ways of thinking
This has an implied general claim (i.e. it's not just a claim about YOUR experience) so a request for evidence is justified. What is the evidence that there is a significant general lack of openness towards "other ways of thinking" here ? - apart from the fact that YOU have got SOME negative responses to SOME comments/diaries ? Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
