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the recipe works, even if the story to explain it is nonsense.

classic colman!

weird isnt it?

the point where reason just keels over and...accepts.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Oct 19th, 2008 at 01:49:53 PM EST
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Reason hasn't keeled over: reason just has nothing to work with. There is the fact of the subjective experience or our own body, which we know better than to accept as necessarily representing any outside reality, an explanation for that experience which is based in a mystic religion and not much else. I'm not in a position to even ask the questions that would start the required research programme.

So the reasonable thing to do is accept that the trick works, discount the woo-woo story and don't worry too much about why it works.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 05:46:56 AM EST
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ookkk, 'keeled over' in the sense of surrendering to forces beyond its ken, not die really. maybe the attachment to the sense of control one infers from thinking one understands the forces at work, rather than simply relaxing into the miracle that it does work.

maybe digging the mystery of it too, that such a homespun technology, (in the same sense that knowledge of training horses is 'technology' too), should elude the intellectual understanding demanded by double-blind tests and the like.

'woo-woo' is an appellation used to distance oneself from attempting to delve deeper into meeting the experience, rather than laying back and letting it roll over you, as you say, not worrying about the why.

what especially fascinates me is that after this brief abdication of the instinct for categorisation, one's reason seems to work better.

as if it had had a refreshing rest!

not to dismiss the importance of reason, not at all, just to put it in its place as useful complement to other sources of less easily quantifiable data.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:30:32 AM EST
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It is, incidentally, probably a bit early to celebrate the death of reason.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 05:50:21 AM EST
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What could possibly make you say that? History has already ended, after all. Shouldn't reason be next :-P

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 07:16:01 AM EST
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I'm still waiting for the birth of reason.

So far we have some labels and something which twitches into life occasionally, but given what seems to go on in everyone's mind most of the time, that's about the extent of it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 07:35:36 AM EST
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After Reason's birth, I think it underwent postnatal abortion sometime during the French Revolution.
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 03:11:55 PM EST
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