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Very insightful. And no need to talk about the fun "coming" to Europe - it is already here in France. The PS is so thoroughly elitists that even secondary school teachers, among midlevel white collar workers, are giving up on it...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sun Oct 19th, 2008 at 06:04:54 PM EST
I see the BNP doing the same thing.  When it comes to serious reversions to the "nastiness" of the events of middle of the 20th century, it's Britain and Italy that I think are the real dangers.

Germany and France are hypersensitive to these things.  The British and Italians not so much.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Oct 19th, 2008 at 06:29:51 PM EST
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I think we still have a rump of the old 80s AntiNazi League here. And the BNP types are only popular in the sinkhole areas - no one else wants them around.

By the time the BNP were anywhere close to winning power in the UK the minority areas here would be arming themselves for civil war - which is possible, but I don't think it's likely.

We have much more of a problem with cross-party authoritarianism. NuLab is just as keen on destroying basic civil liberties as the Tories are, but so far the Lords have kicked their arses - up to a point.

It's the constant pressure for surveillance and security which is the biggest issue. If fascism comes it won't be set up by blue collar racists but by Oxbridge-educated civil servants.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Oct 19th, 2008 at 06:41:46 PM EST
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I don't have the link, but I remember the Guardian running a piece about the BNP organizing successfully on council estates because they were the only party to actually come and campaign there.


And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Oct 19th, 2008 at 06:43:46 PM EST
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I thought that France was hypersensitive to these things. And then Sarkozy, openly courting Le Pen's voters by adopting his programme, got elected - and many PS leaders joined.

Among other things, Sarkozy is saying the French media needs more concentration - considering right now, two thirds of the press is already owned by weapons makers, that's a worrying proposal.

Sarkozy is so sensitive about things, after closing army bases in Lorraine, he proposed that the German army should set up shop in said bases...

And is there need to talk about the 28000 people that have to be deported before the year ends ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Oct 20th, 2008 at 03:42:11 AM EST
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