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I agree, in general, but how do you explain the phenomena of Democrats Carter and Clinton?  I also recall much criticism heaped upon Republican D.D. Eisenhower during his terms for the role he played as an advocate for civil rights (Little Rock - 1957).  I believe it was the era and the movement, not the party or the man in the White House, that caused the reversal.  Unfortunately, for the Democrats, other issues have also resonated badly for them in certain regions.

My main point, that I seem make more than even I like, is that the two parties are not all that different at the core and they tend to move with the tide but only when they are in danger of drowning.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Wed Oct 22nd, 2008 at 06:55:13 PM EST
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I agree, in general, but how do you explain the phenomena of Democrats Carter and Clinton?

Carter rode into the White House on the back of Watergate.

Clinton is an unusually skilled demagogue, and Bush the Elder is a feckless incompetent. Plus, there was a schism in the GOP in '92.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:28:35 AM EST
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Carter rode into the White House on the back of Watergate.

Clinton is an unusually skilled demagogue...

You could make both these points about Obama, and many have.


I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 at 09:42:56 PM EST
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Indeed.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for Obama to lead the US back towards a path of responsible economic policy, honourable foreign policy and non-suicidal environmental policy. It'll be nice if he doesn't actively break things, but if I had to bet money, I'd say that he's just Clinton, take two.

That said, Obama has two things Clinton and and Carter didn't: What looks for all the world like a massive victory, and what we already know will be an equally massive financial shitpile.

The former will give him the clout and the latter the political cover to enact real, serious change, if he wants to.

But as I said, I'm not holding my breath.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 at 09:52:17 PM EST
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I'll buy that.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:08:40 PM EST
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