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There was someone over there peddling the line that 1MW of installed wind capacity will bring two units of NG electricity online for each unit of wind capacity ... because, as I understand what I shall for the sake of argument call "the argument", to deliver the 1MW of capacity will require 1MW of wind and 1MW of NG with the NG delivering the power that the wind is not.

Why you don't enter that into baseload as 0.3MWh, with 0.3MW of NG backing up the wind, and surplus power sold to other grids when the wind is strong ... I guess because if you presume a poorly designed system, its easier to argue against the system being put into place.

The same fellow arguing that offshore wind is 3x the cost of onshore wind links to a report that gives onshore as £0.9m/MW capacity at a 30% load factor versus offshore at £1.6m/MW at a 35% load factor ... as evidence to substantiate his 3x figure!.

Astounding. Like dKos with more doom pr0n.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Oct 21st, 2008 at 05:39:15 PM EST
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The same fellow arguing that offshore wind is 3x the cost of onshore wind links to a report that gives onshore as £0.9m/MW capacity at a 30% load factor versus offshore at £1.6m/MW at a 35% load factor ... as evidence to substantiate his 3x figure!.

I think the fingers they are counting on dont work properly

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2008 at 05:45:24 PM EST
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... aggressive anti-public transport commentators ... cite an outrageous figure, cherry picked from a shallow source (say, a newspaper piece with a "he said / she said" approach to presenting "critics of the proposal say"), and bolstered by thicker official source that they link to but do not expect someone to be able to read through and work out how badly they are misrepresenting it.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Oct 21st, 2008 at 06:47:07 PM EST
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... since its ambiguous and on a quick reading misleading, "the same fellow arguing" does not mean that the person making the 3x argument is the same as the person featured in the start ... it refers to the surprise that the person that makes the 3x claim links to as support a document that most people would point to as debunking the 3x claim.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Oct 21st, 2008 at 08:06:37 PM EST
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