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In my opinion the solution is going to have to be to create an international credit guarantee society.

Also known as an International Clearing Union....

The fact is that since both sellers and buyers will benefit from a guarantee to international (or national, come to that) trade credit then both should pay an amount into a mutually owned pot (or provide collateral) to support the guarantee.

This is indistinguishable in effect from Keynes' International Clearing Union proposal at Bretton Woods. He proposed a Bancor "Value Unit" to be issued centrally whereby both debit and credit balances on international trade would be subject to charges....

So what we could achieve here with a "Peer to Peer" alternative architecture would be to disintermediate and decentralise Keynes' centralised proposal for a Global Central Bank issuing Bancors.

Instead we would create a global framework (not an organisation, with accompanying bureaucracy) within which "Risk-Management-Institutions-formerly-known-as- Banks" would operate as service providers.

In other words, to answer migeru's point

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Which makes me question banks' ability to "morph to a service provider role in order to continue to be relevant" as they are already unable to fulfill their current service provider role in existing peer-to-peer credit.

banks would no longer be involved in backing the guarantee at all: the sellers and buyers collectively would do that (back-stopped by governments).

The replacement for the Bancor (and for the US Dollar as global reserve currency) would IMHO be a Unit of energy - a "Carbon Dollar".

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 09:15:23 AM EST
Instead we would create a global framework (not an organisation, with accompanying bureaucracy) within which "Risk-Management-Institutions-formerly-known-as- Banks" would operate as service providers.

Well, the clearing union would have "an organisation, with accompanying bureaucracy". Someone has to build and operate the systems.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 09:36:34 AM EST
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Yes, but it would be a "Managing Partner", and ideally a consortium of the different service providers necessary.

As you know, I have long believed that a partnership between a Cooperative of Service Providers and a Cooperative of Service Users is probably an optimal enterprise model...

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 09:47:14 AM EST
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banks would no longer be involved in backing the guarantee at all: the sellers and buyers collectively would do that (back-stopped by governments).

Anyone can contribute a fraction of the capital backing the the guarantee - it doesn't have to be sellers or buyers, it could be unitised and sold, and the (non-redeemable) units traded in a secondary market.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 09:41:35 AM EST
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That is true, of course, but the likelihood is that it would be the stakeholders/ end-users themselves who would provide the necessary collateral.

I'm reminded of the strange fact that Mega Corporations like Shell and BP appear quite happy to have the likes of the London Clearing House ("LCH") and now the proprietary silo

ICE Futures Europe Clearing

as a counterparty, when in fact LCH's (and ICE's) capital base isn't even a pimple on their financial arse.

I guess, these End Users have probably regarded LCH as having an implicit government guarantee and they may well have been right.

But since ICE Futures Europe operates For Profit it shouldn't be able to rely upon governments....

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 09:59:32 AM EST
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That sounds like an... interesting story.

Care to describe it in a little more detail?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 01:40:23 PM EST
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The fact is that since both sellers and buyers will benefit from a guarantee to international (or national, come to that) trade credit then both should pay an amount into a mutually owned pot (or provide collateral) to support the guarantee.

No, no, the users pay a guarantee fee. The capital backing the guarantee is provided by whoever has capital around and wants to. Obviously, as it is in the interest of users that this is in place, users are the most likely sources of guarantee capital, but their countries could do it too, or individuals or institutional investors who are interested in a revenue source coming from trade guarantee fees. Users who have enough capital invested in the guarantee society would effectively be receiving a discount to their own use of the guarantee but that's the net effect of wearing two hats, user and capital provider.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 09:52:54 AM EST
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Migeru:
The capital backing the guarantee is provided by whoever has capital around and wants to.

I don't see too much of an appetite among investors for this after being stung by the credit derivatives/ credit insurance model.

It's a role for governments IMHO.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 11:24:14 AM EST
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I see a huge appetite for this among the scamsters and wannabes who created the credit crisis, because it has so much in common with the same model.

Which is why - yes, you're right - it should be reserved for governments.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2008 at 05:05:05 PM EST
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