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It's very sorry, but it's true the euro-12+ is going into the wall right now. This is basically a policy failure: the EMU was sanctioned without corresponding fiscal, budgetary, and public debt issuing unions.
I was having similar thoughts, but, as an American, was reluctant to state them.  

It would have semed wise to work out an acceptable central bank/monitary policy framework prior to expansion, but it was, and remains, a thorny issue. The economies of France, Germany, Belgum and Luxembourg have enough differences amongst themselves, but those pale when compared to differences to Greece, for instance, and when compared to the former Soviet client states.

The reunification of Germany and the other opportunities presented by the disintegration of the Soviet Union lead to an event driven process rather than a policy driven process.  I seem to recall that the USA was cheering on and encouraging, if not stampeding, the EU into offering membership to former Soviet client states.

While continental Europe may have significantly avoided the worst effects of the "Anglo Disease," the structural weaknesses resulting from inadequate integration of fiscal, budgetary and debt issuing policies will complicate, at the least, the EU's response to the effects of the "Anglo Disease."

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 at 08:05:58 PM EST
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EMU was a logical extension of the EU, and the extension of the EU was a logical move to permanently move a number of countries out of the spehere of interest of the Soviet Union/Russia.

The economic issues were and are secondary, really.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 at 08:14:52 PM EST
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While continental Europe may have significantly avoided the worst effects of the "Anglo Disease," the structural weaknesses resulting from inadequate integration of fiscal, budgetary and debt issuing policies will complicate, at the least, the EU's response to the effects of the "Anglo Disease."

Why is it not the end of the world if an American city or county defaults on its debt (I know about the famous cases of Cleveland, OH and Orange County, CA - has a state ever defaulted on its debt?) and the fact that a smallish EMU country would default on its debt is supposed to spell the end of the EMU?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 at 08:30:05 PM EST
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The USA could be a different matter, as could a larger EU member.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Oct 4th, 2008 at 10:01:10 PM EST
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The problem is that a US state has not issued currency in a century, isn't tooled to do it, and has only police forces, no army. So in case of default, they couldn't spin off their currency and print it. They would just have to accept conservatorship measures from D.C.

Whereas all european states had their own currencies 10 years ago, where often master at competitive devaluation, and they really, really are not used to receiving orders at the point of a gun. The establishment in each country will not "let go": they will refuse to default (that would be acknowledging failure), and they will print, claiming that the EMU is the problem, not the solution. Game over (for them, at least)

Of course, the EMU will not die: it will just loose smaller members, one after the other. There will still be a cross-border currency, only cross fewer borders, between more homogeneous, highly industrial economies with older demographics.

BTW, the collapse of Hypo (and probably Deutsche Bank soon) tells me all I need to know about the German policy: Merkel told everyone to save his own ass, cos' she'd figured she's so deep in the shit that rescueing german institutions will cost about the same as another reunification with east-deutsche-mark parity !

Minor EMU economies are totally toast. My aunt comes from back from vacations in Greece (she goes there every summer) and told me she saw a disaster, with one of every two shop walled off. Anyone here with some comparable firsthand experience ?

Pierre

by Pierre on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 12:49:21 PM EST
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