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  1. Liquidated value of bank balance sheets is negative. So, the current shareholders should be forced to pay for nationalisation (because the share price is negative, as whatever is traded at the market is inclusive of "government salvage premium").

  2. All bank executives and employees should become public officials with an appropriate pay, which is equivalent of the postal savings service.

  3. What's wrong with socialism for a while? America finally came out of the great depression in 1945, and prices and production had been tightly controlled for the previous several years because of the war.


I will become a patissier, God willing.
by tuasfait on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 05:09:01 AM EST
Liquidated value of bank balance sheets is negative. So, the current shareholders should be forced to pay for nationalisation (because the share price is negative, as whatever is traded at the market is inclusive of "government salvage premium").

Horrible idea. Limited liability is extremely important, and even if it weren't you can't go around and change contracts afterwards like that.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 10:52:58 AM EST
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Why is limited liability so important?

And why can the rules of the stock exchange not be changed? Tax structures can be changed by parliament. Building codes can be changed by parliament and/or municipal authorities. What's so terribly important about the racetrack stock exchange that it should be insulated against legislatory changes?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 02:40:53 PM EST
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Without limited liability practically no one would dare invest in new businesses or provide capital at all. We would have what we have right now all the time.

Rules can be changed! But it's hardly reasonable to change them afterwards. It's like putting people in jail for things that weren't illegal at the time they were done. That's a basic legal principle.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 03:29:05 PM EST
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Investments happened before limited liability. Investments can happen without limited liability or with a severely modified version.

FWIW, I am not sure that demanding reparations from stockholders is the best idea: Management seem a better bet - they're the ones who screwed up in the first place.

WRT ex post facto laws, sure. But nobody says that we cannot change the rule going forward. Most of the banks that are going to fail have not failed yet.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Oct 12th, 2008 at 04:32:01 PM EST
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