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It's a moral problem. It's always been a moral problem. If you destroy the moral and legal foundations for finance and government and remove all trust in democracy, in due process, in accountability and in personal and corporate good faith, an epic crash is the only possible outcome.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 04:35:16 AM EST
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We can't have spent years criticising Bush's "signing statements" to now say that an exchange on the House floor is okay.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 04:39:40 AM EST
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We may discuss whether it is OK, but it sure is a lot better than a signing statement.
Legislative power must reside with the legislature. The House floor is part of it.

I would like all laws to be well written, appropriately and unambiguously. But I am more interested in the spirit of the law than in its wording alone. I don't want executive power abusing the letter of the law by deliberately promoting an understanding that, while it might be defended semantically, clearly goes against what the law was trying to say.

That's what a signing statement does. It says "I deliberately choose to misunderstand, and F you by the way".

Whereas an exchange on the House floor is pretty much saying: do we all understand that this is what we mean? Far better to have it in the text of the law, but if it's not possible for timing reasons, it at least comes before the vote and cannot be compared to a Bush signing statement.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 at 07:41:08 AM EST
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