Bush could say they are leaving now for the good of the country and to accelerate the transition timetable. Things could be made more inviting for them if they were promised that future war crimes investigations would be canceled in return.
Just saying... Policies not Politics ---- Daily Landscape
After all, there is precisely zero chance of either of them being indicted on war crimes charges and they know it. keep to the Fen Causeway
And the US is not a party to the ICC anyway.
Universal jurisdiction has been under assault since the Pinochet arrest, because we know what team our elites bat for. A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
The International Criminal Court can only indict once it is clear that the home country cannot ot will not prosecute.
Also, the US is not party to the ICC so the ICC cannot prosecute. A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
The question I've asked is If the President does his make it all go away pardon magic, how does that affect international extradition warrants? Say for example Germany has one of its citizens grabbed and mistreated, under the indirect orders of Bush. Now according to the UN convention against torture, which the US has ratified if you have an extradition treaty covering anything, then extradition for torture is automatically included in it. What happens when George gets dragged up before the courts, after he's stepped down? when he gets up before the courts, how does the one size fits all pardonomatic work against that? or will a foreign country one of whose citizens has been mistreated have to get justice by proxy for the average citizen. Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
But this would only apply if he travels outside the U.S. As far as extradition from the U.S. itself is concerned, it will be no different from extradition for terrorism (Luis Posada Carriles), i.e., it will be ignored. There's not much the other country can do, beyond abrogating the extradition treaty (which Chavez may do some day, if he's looking for another way to thumb his nose at the Americans).
The effort to calibrate and to reconcile national GAAPs by BCBS treaties have't harmonized product characteristics despite 20 years of negotiation. Why? Financial corporations and institutional investors rely on arbitrage (asymetries of information and supply) to obtain profits.
Arbitrage is a socially acceptable (normative) business practice and that is the fundamental problem with resource and financial capitalist ideology. The "mother" of suckers, if you will, is the residual political power of knowing a reality that is obscure or invisible to one's counterpart: acting out a lie. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
An alternative arrangement to bring the Democratic administration to power sooner, is for the Senate to elect Obama as its President pro tempore. Bush and Cheney could then resign and Pelosi decline the opportunity to become President. Obama could then be sworn in himself.
"I suspect the Republicans want to wait until the result of the November election is known, before accepting defeat declaring a state of emergency requiring continued republican leadership. keep to the Fen Causeway
It's obvious that press support for McBlame is patchy at best. If there was word from on high that Obama wasn't supposed to win this, we'd have seen some much more aggressive reporting against his campaign, and much more leniency towards McFailure.
I'm not sure the rabid right has the confidence to start a civil war just yet. They'd still have to nuke a city to do it, and if Cheney couldn't get his Iran on, that suggests he's reached his practical - or political - limits.
There are hints that the true shittiness of the state of things is penetrating even into the farthest and most dismal recesses of Wingnutia.
I'm not sure the rabid right has the confidence to start a civil war just yet.
Palin is ready to take this to places that even Bush/Cheney wouldn't go, and McCain seems willing to back her up.
It's not obvious from Europe just wingnutty the Republican party really is. Over here they'd be the equivalent of one of the far right parties, like the BNP in the UK, but with much better business contacts.
In spite of everything that's happened they still have an entirely spurious aura of respectability. But really the Republican base is condensing itself into the hardcore delusional haters. Many of the gullible low-info types who have only just started paying serious attention are distancing themselves. What's left isn't pretty, even if it thinks it is, and apparently McCain and Palin are just fine with that.
In fact if anything, that's the definition of the core of Wingnutia - it's a world where the inhabitants would rather believe in a fantasy which lets them get their hate on than deal with reality. That's how you explain Iraq, Iran, torture, and the rabid racism and hatred of The Other which defines Republican politics.
What worries me about the Palin Plan is that if you stir up enough hate, someone is going to try to turn that into action. And unlike the aftermath of MLK and JFK, I really don't know how the US public would react now.
I'm not sure if that's the original source.
I like the irony in "angry barrage of insults".
Kill him! was uttered at a Palin rally in Florida, apparently. "If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
The next four weeks are going to be very, very ugly.
The Republicans are backed up against the ropes. Every time Gramps winds up to take a swing, Obama's got him on the mat immediately. The Reps' one ray of hope, "Juan McShamnesty" (as they called him during the immigration fight), has destroyed what made him their one ray of hope, and their beloved "rising star," Caribou Barbie, has done nothing but reveal herself to be a shameless, hatemongering bimbo and hick.
With the undecideds -- and even Barr and Nader voters, it seems -- going for Obama, putting him routinely above the magic 50% mark, as you said, we're left with a very disturbing group of people, for the most part. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
They don't see politics as polite disagreements amongst people who share the same love of the country. They don't see election defeats as "oh well we lost, that sucks, we'll win next time". They view themselves as "True Keepers of the Flame" who are now so hyped by the culture wars that to them a change of government is a clear and present danger to the sanctity of the United States.
All who represent a different value system to them cannot, by definition, love america as much as they do and can only be understood as a traitor to the United States. Which means they can, and indeed, should be violently opposed as a patriotic duty. keep to the Fen Causeway
These people belong in prison, loaded up with enough anti-psychotic drugs to put Cindy McCain in a coma.
But "They didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left them."
Right. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
The press seems quite horrified by it (see Dana Milbank's column today in the WaPo). The blogosphere is obviously horrified by it. The Secret Service is probably scared shitless.
These are the most conservative areas in Florida they're sending Palin to. They're full of Pat Buchanan-esque neo-Nazis. Fortunately, the polls suggest to me that Floridians, in general, are terrified of Palin and not too keen on McCain, and despite their nervousness with black folks they seem inclined now to give Obama a shot.
Elections in Florida are, as I've said, won and lost along the I-4 Corridor, from Tampa over to Daytona Beach. This is a great way to lose it for McCain, I'd guess. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
This is a great way to lose it for McCain, I'd guess.
...adding: But what do I know? I never thought Obama would get past 48% in the polls in Florida, and now he's at 51% and up seven or eight points over McCain, so don't take my word as the Gospel.
It's my home state, but it's a bizarre place. My mother likes to blame it on Florida being the center of the universe. I like to blame it on a worm hole out near the Bermuda Triangle. Either way, I'm pretty sure drug use is required to get a beat on it. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
... Sen. Lindsey Graham, a McCain confidant, told The Post's David Broder that the campaign would "go down in history as stupid if they don't unleash" Palin. Well, the self-identified pit bull has been unleashed -- if not unhinged. ... Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy." ... The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.) "Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience. ...
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a McCain confidant, told The Post's David Broder that the campaign would "go down in history as stupid if they don't unleash" Palin. Well, the self-identified pit bull has been unleashed -- if not unhinged.
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Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."
The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)
"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.
If the election were held today, Obama would win by 7 to 9 points, carry no less than 364 electoral votes (and perhaps close to 400), probably grab the 61 Senate seats, and leave the GOP in ruins. They're angry, and they're lashing out.
And they're frightened. They've been attacking Democrats with race for decades. Now they have a genuine black guy to go up against, and one with what I think it's fair to say is a pretty weird name to the ears of most Americans, and they're being crushed.
None of their traditional strategies have worked. None of the Reagan-era talking points are sticking. They can't even hang onto the Old Confederacy anymore. Hell, they can't even hold on to Appalachia anymore! They're being reduced to a regional party of Mormons and white supremacists, and I wouldn't hold my breath on the Mormons long-term if I were them. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
In 1990, Wellstone ran for the U.S. Senate against incumbent Rudy Boschwitz, beginning the race as a serious underdog. He narrowly won the election, after being outspent by a 7-to-1 margin. Wellstone played off of his underdog image by airing a number of quirky, humorous advertisements created by political consultant Bill Hillsman including "Fast Paul" [1] and "Looking for Rudy" [2], a pastiche of the 1989 Michael Moore documentary Roger & Me. Boschwitz was also hurt by a letter his supporters wrote, on campaign stationery, to members of the Minnesota Jewish community days before the election, accusing Wellstone of being a "bad Jew" for marrying a Gentile and not raising his children in the Jewish faith. (Boschwitz, like Wellstone, is Jewish.) Wellstone's reply, widely broadcast on Minnesota television, was, "He has a problem with Christians, then." Boschwitz was the only incumbent U.S. senator to lose re-election that year. Wellstone defeated Boschwitz again for re-election in 1996. During that campaign, Boschwitz ran ads accusing Wellstone of being "embarrassingly liberal" and calling him "Senator Welfare". Boschwitz accused Wellstone of supporting flag burning, a move that some believe possibly backfired. Prior to that accusation, Boschwitz had significantly outspent Wellstone on campaign advertising and the race was closely contended, but Wellstone went on to beat Boschwitz by a nine-point margin in a three way race (Dean Barkley received 7%).
Wellstone defeated Boschwitz again for re-election in 1996. During that campaign, Boschwitz ran ads accusing Wellstone of being "embarrassingly liberal" and calling him "Senator Welfare". Boschwitz accused Wellstone of supporting flag burning, a move that some believe possibly backfired. Prior to that accusation, Boschwitz had significantly outspent Wellstone on campaign advertising and the race was closely contended, but Wellstone went on to beat Boschwitz by a nine-point margin in a three way race (Dean Barkley received 7%).
you are the media you consume.
Besides the fact some voters despise black guys. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
shameless, hatemongering bimbo and hick.
that's what they love about her!
just like gwb, but with better t**s.
intelligence would be a bug, not a feature...
watching fox hyperventilating after the debate about how she 'thrashed' him was very, very funny, the propaganda overdrive more palpable than ever.
just for showing up she was THE WINNER, pretty much.
gush city...drooling fanboyzandgurlz...the amount of energy spent on trying to convince themselves and their wingnut audience could have levitated the pentagon. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.
But it is certainly true that they aren't afraid to indulge a little rabble rousing amongst their more cranially-challenged supporters that veers towards the fascist. keep to the Fen Causeway
It's a more complex mix than the BNP, but historically all of these groups have been prepared to use violence to achieve their aims. There's also a long and incredibly vicious history of racism in the US which is far more extreme than anything we've had in recent memory in the UK - Thatcherite police action included. There was very literal apartheid in most of the US until fairly recently, with explicit segregation. And the Klan are still popular in some areas.
If anything the Republicans are more dangerous than the BNP - smarter, better organised, and much better at marketing and crowd psychology. Imagine the BNP working with the UKIP, the wackier fringes of the CBI and a new evangelical movement in the UK, and that would be the full-strength UK equivalent.
Imagine the BNP working with the UKIP, the wackier fringes of the CBI and a new evangelical movement in the UK, and that would be the full-strength UK equivalent.
that's so scary that almost qualifies for a "don't give them ideas" warning keep to the Fen Causeway
I wonder if this isn't what's happened to the Tories - the real crazies have gone to the UKIP or BNP, so the remainder are merely oily, and not pathological.
--the fundiecans who are useful idiots co-opted by the Cheney-ites as issues voters.
Not so long ago I visited in-laws and friends in a small town in North Western Ohio, and visited briefly with the Mayor (an attorney) in his office with an attorney friend. There was a big framed group photograph on the wall behind his desk, and after our "meeting", I asked my friend who the guys were in the picture. "Old buddies of the mayor--taken back when he was a local judge", I was told. The lima chapter of the KKK.
Your third group label -"Fundiecans"- is right on--but the group is quite complex, with a bizarre sort of displaced anger all tied up with feelings of uselessness and hopelessness as their defining quality. They live in a land of ugly- of played-out farmland, tired, bitter and overworked people,(those with a job) with a local unemployment rate admitted to be over 10%, and that's actually much higher- I would guess double that. Yes-- approaching depression levels. A land of shrinking salaries, closed, rusting factories (the "Rust Belt"). Yet their brand of fundamentalism will not allow them to identify any of the neolib policies or repub rip-off artists as responsible. They'd rather suffer economic disaster than support a black, or anyone in their list of the "other"--and that list is very, very long. Two out of three young people who graduate from high school leave.
Don't count on Ohio.
Columbus (the capital) is in Franklin county, and that county is every bit as bitterly racist as Auglaise county.
Grabbing what you can, as John Ruskin said, isn't any less wicked when you grab it with the power of your brains than with the power of your fists.
Which means they may be grudgingly willing to hand it all over to a niggah to watch him make a mess of it so they can blame him afterwards.
That remark leverages obsolete, partisan ideologies of (i) race (ii) imperial mandate (iii) social class. Even in the UK there are instrumental persons who enforce, within one or more operating limits, the preceding Anglo ideologies, so creating dependencies. But I digress.
Mr Obama has been selected to "front" the penultimate New World Order (see above). That is to model, given inculcation by MSM programming of "identity politics" --a superficial and conditioned response to affective and effective social prohibitions-- a legitimate posture opposed to abject "homeland" security: slavery.
The historical plight of "niggahs" is familiar, if repressed, to all US citizens. At this point, I refer you to one of my mother's favorite tracks to describe the expected result of the US presidential referendum. I first heard it from vinyl when I was about You may not like the implication, but I lived in the UK long enough to receive all manner of persons who assumed that I knew best, because I am "black." But "niggah" was never, really a skin game, unless you are, really, a "white is right" believer.
Last Poets, Niggers Are Scared of Revolution Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
I know this is kinda beside the point of both your post and this conversation but what I noticed in that was that niggers are men, only men. Black women are...invisible, mentioned only as objects in black men's drama; othered and rendered mute by black men as completely as these black men are othered and rendered mute by white people.
where is the black women's voice ? And didn't your mother notice that silence ? Cos it screamed at me keep to the Fen Causeway
I know this is kinda beside the point of both your post and this conversation but what I noticed in that was that niggers are men, only men.
LOL. HELLEN!!! Get with the program, my program. "Black" women always work. "Brown" women always work. "Yellow" women and "Red" women always work. "White" women don't. They don't even murder. You ought to read Women Who Kill some time.
The first, second, and third waves of so-called feminism are simple simulacra of "white" male political hegemony.
Fact is, my mama always worked for a wage, legally, since she was emancipated by the state at sixteen. And in fact she not my father, not her husband, worked to pay for her children to attend private (UK public) schools. She paid my passage around the world. In fact in that decade, mid-70s when Last Poets released, NOW solicited her to sponsor a Title VII suit she had launched on her own. That is the way it is, Hellen. Beat-down, live, minorities are the vanguard of lead civil rights justice. "White" people, regardless of gender or sex, like to wait, like to see the mortar crumble, before they bust a move. "White" is a state of mind portrayed by the Last Poets.
You're not reading the lyrics, Hellen. They are genderless. That is the reality to which my mama responded. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Write it in sentences that mean something, explain yourself. Never listen to lyrics in a song, who cares what some spotty teenager thinks is meaningful in this world ? They'll only be embarrassed next week. But if you want something actually meaningful where arguments are examined, read a book. Poetry is bunk cos it's just a canvass on which you can write your own bs.
but my problem with poetry is now revealed to be worse in that I don't even understand the explanation. I read what you wrote about 3 times and I still don't know what you mean. Seriously : I. Do. Not. Understand.
But I have to ask what you mean when you say this;-
You're not reading the lyrics, Hellen. They are genderless.
..in relation to this;-
Niggers fuck white thighs, black thighs, yellow thighs, brown thighs Niggers fuck ankles when they run out of thighs Niggers fuck Sally, Linda, and Sue
cos all I read there is gender ? One gender subject describing one gender object, depersonalised and interchangeable, Rendered into body parts.
There are so many questions I wanna ask but I think the confusion just multiplies if I do. I want to know what your first paragraph means, especially why you think the white women slur can possibly be true. But I'll stop and admit I don't understand this poem, I don't understand your explanation and I think we're just gonna have to leave it at that. keep to the Fen Causeway
Niggers fuck Sally, Linda, and Sue
You had to hunt for that line in order to justify your complaint. I ask, What human doesn't have thighs? What makes you think Leslie, Pat, and Maggie aren't fucking Sally, Linda, and Sue?
Don't tell me, please, only males, only men, are niggers. Don't tell me that, because I am not prepared to enter a type-written discussion of what you believe is normative behavior. I'd rather sit with a cupla pints. This way we arrive at why any one assumes fucking "white thighs, black thighs, yellow thighs, brown thighs" and ankles is necessarily a sexist (or racist) trope.
The song, or poem, describes the passivity of a people collectively called nigger. But their abject helplessness is not a function of either race or gender, is it? That is the question the poets ask. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
She's generally high-brow, a long-lived opera and "legit" theatre buff. It wasn't until after divorcing my father (well after the Last Poets release) that she took much pleasure, that I noticed, in pop music. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Good luck getting audio only. DRM enforcement is all the rage. And
I was about seven-years-old when I first heard it and associated it with opera. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
We can't have that now can we? "Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
